Why Not a Personal Post to Jason Cozza?

20 Nov

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Well, you got my attention by flaming me on Buffalo Rising.

(I tried posting this as a comment on his site, but it never showed up, so I figured I’d post it where people might see it.)

What does 550 or 600 signatures mean in a community of 1 million (Erie County) or around 250,000 (City of Buffalo? A fraction of a percent, yet you claim it speaks for the whole community. Bullshit.

I never said “shut up and get something done.” I said why don’t you try backing up your argument with facts rather than hyperbole and emotion.

You have the nerve to question my character because I don’t blindly follow your point of view. I also don’t blindly follow what Norquist wants just based on who he is or with whom he’s affiliated.

I don’t think sticking trucks and commuters on a 6-lane boulevard is an improvement over the DOT plan. It’s as simple as that. So far, no one’s presented a reasonable argument as to why it’s better. But I hear a lot of comparisons to the Embarcadero and Gardiner Expressways, which is like comparing apples and anvils.

You criticize the fact that I live in Clarence and say that means I don’t really care? Are you fucking kidding me?

In 4 years of blogging and working as a political activist, I have done nothing but care about the city because believe it or not I’m one of the few suburbanites who realizes that the city drives the region. For you to so cavalierly dismiss me like that speaks to your character, not mine. It speaks to your arrogance, not mine.

If you think spewing hatred at suburbanites is somehow going to magically make the city improve, I have news for you – it won’t. In fact, it merely perpetuates a counterproductive status quo where suburbs hate city, city hates suburbs, and nothing gets accomplished.

But keep on arguing your point by insulting me and harping on emotion and people’s “extremely admirable” … “passion and energy”. Regardless of whether they know what they’re talking about or not, and regardless of whether or not they actually showed up at the public hearings for a project.

39 Responses to “Why Not a Personal Post to Jason Cozza?”

  1. Size Nine November 20, 2007 at 7:44 am #

    More evidence that you lack the temperament to serve in elected office, where you would have gotten flamed all the time. Comes with the territory. For someone who thinks the opposition is motivated only by emotion, you sure do vent a lot of it yourself. What did you sayi one of your best qualifications for public office was? Your PASSION.

  2. hank November 20, 2007 at 8:08 am #

    I saw that petition on the FNY blog, and noticed none of THEM had signed it. Why put it on your blog if you don’t care enough about it to sign it?

    You scared me Alan as I was going to comment on the petition on FNY’s blog, as to —WOOO HOOO! a couple of thousand signatures on a petition wouldn’t make a good roll of ass wipe for them, and that’s about how much they care.

    Now, perhaps if 500,000 WNYers blocked off the elevated Rt5, and had to be moved by the State Police and National Guard, then perhaps someone might stand up and take notice. Take a lesson from the Indians–Block the thing off with tires and set them on fire, then set up camp behind them.

    THEN PERHAPS THE STATE WILL THINK YOU’RE SERIOUS.
    A petition? Pissing into a strong breeze.

    MEANWHILE–NOTHING GETS DONE —-AS USUAL.

    Size Nine–Your love for the Pundit is showing through strong.
    If you dislike him so much, why are you here commenting every day? I left FNY, and I’ve commented on their blog perhaps a half dozen times since september. You’ve probably commented here a half dozen times in the last 4 days. Have you nothing better to do?

  3. Mike Miller November 20, 2007 at 8:49 am #

    I have two things to offer:

    “Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me.”

    and:

    http://shadesofgray.wnymedia.net/blogs/2007/11/20/we-blog-so-what/

  4. Buffalopundit November 20, 2007 at 9:01 am #

    @SizeNine:

    More evidence that you lack the temperament to serve in elected office, where you would have gotten flamed all the time. Comes with the territory.

    And we’ve already established that “not defending oneself when attacked” = “good temperament” in the world of “Size Nine”. I prefer that elected officials take a stand once in a while and don’t get steamrolled by people who engage in unreasonable ad hominem attacks, but i guess we have a different point of view on what the people’s representatives should do.

    For someone who thinks the opposition is motivated only by emotion, you sure do vent a lot of it yourself. What did you sayi one of your best qualifications for public office was? Your PASSION.

    When did I ever use the word passion? Not once, and certainly not to describe my “best qualifications”. Here’s the search of my campaign site for that term. I used it twice to describe other people. I never used that word on any of my lit, and I never used it in any context at any time. So, you’re wrong. You pulled something completely out of your ass to bolster a point you couldn’t make.

    Maybe you’re confusing me with Eliot Spitzer, who did say he would bring some “passion back to Albany”.

    But thanks so much for trying. *Pat on the back*.

  5. dougk November 20, 2007 at 9:23 am #

    VISITORS…KEEP YER HEADS DOWN!

  6. I don't want to grow up, I'm a Toys' R Us kid November 20, 2007 at 9:36 am #

    @Punidt

    Go home. Please, go back to Boston or Westchester.

    We don’t need your shit. Grow the fuck up.

  7. Jay November 20, 2007 at 9:48 am #

    Wow.

  8. Buffalopundit November 20, 2007 at 10:02 am #

    Yeah, Jay. Wow is right.

    I don’t know why you felt the need to call me out and insult me, but 2 can play that game.

  9. indabuff November 20, 2007 at 10:20 am #

    I blog, therefore I am…

  10. Fed-Up in WNY November 20, 2007 at 10:50 am #

    I for one have the mindset of “shut up and get something done.” (on the waterfront) because for the last twenty years all the politicians & people are doing is talking….. Git’Er Done already! 😉 Seriously folks, everyone has ideas about what should be done with the waterfront, it doesn’t mean anyone else’s opinion is greater, or lesser than the next guy’s (or gal’s).

    Is this what our waterfront development has come down to? Cheap shots via the internet? I don’t blame BP for fire back, but in the long run… what’s it going to do in the long run? Not much, I guess, because we’re probably still going to have an underdeveloped waterfront in another twenty years. 😦

  11. dougk November 20, 2007 at 11:03 am #

    RUDE OR OBNOXIOUS POSTING SCORECARD

    VISITORS – 2
    PUNDIT – 0

    VIDEOTAPE AT 11:00

  12. hank November 20, 2007 at 11:07 am #

    This thread sure went downhill.

    Someone moves here from Taxachusetts, and WNY’s only mildly better.
    Establishes his family, works in his chosen profession, and CONTRIBUTES—Not just to the Tax Base. The Santa Program was one he’s not done alone, but sure beat the drum for. Cares enough about a town he wasn’t born or raised in to run for public office.

    I know how that is, as I’m experiencing it in NC. But when I remind the local ‘necks that I’ve been around the world twice, spent more than a day or two in countries most of them can’t find on a map, but because my home ground is too embattled for me to be successful, I PICKED THIS PLACE TO LIVE…..
    I don’t get messed with much at all. Plus, many of them know that I’m smarter than they are, so perhaps I learned something they’ve taken for granted by the accident of birth.

    These pages are mostly just stuff Alan cares enough about to write on. It’s just his opinion, and I don’t always agree, but I don’t sit like a cat waiting to pounce on his every word either.

    With attitudes like I see here, I’m not surprised that in the almost 33 years since I left to join the Navy, things have only gotten WORSE.

  13. Nagowski November 20, 2007 at 11:18 am #

    For the record, Massachusetts has some of the lowest taxes in the nation when measured relative to personal income. High housing costs, yes, but a high percentage of your income going to taxes, no.

  14. STEEL November 20, 2007 at 11:22 am #

    So if people do not agree with you you call it flaming.

  15. dougk November 20, 2007 at 11:37 am #

    flaming… adj. 1) the hostile and insulting interaction between internet users; 2) rude or obnoxious posting

  16. STEEL November 20, 2007 at 11:53 am #

    So if people do not agree with you it is rude and obnoxious?

  17. Haterade November 20, 2007 at 11:59 am #

    WTF is a “punidt” ?

    Size Nine:
    I would rather have a politician with some fire in the belly who would actually stand up and say what they think than all the lapdogs we have now ! If you think Alan “lacks the temperment”, I wonder what you woulda thought of Rus Thompson. another guy who isn’t afraid to say what’s on his mind.

  18. Buffalopundit November 20, 2007 at 12:08 pm #

    @STEEL: You ask,

    So if people do not agree with you it is rude and obnoxious?

    At BRO, I left an on-topic comment to a podcast that was posted for my listening pleasure. In response to my comment, Jay Cozza posted this:

    Clarence Pundit don’t you have anything better to talk about?

    But in all seriousness, Clarence Pundit raises some interesting things to think about solely from the fact that he isn’t yet sold on this project. Now bare with me here.

    Clarence Pundit’s arrogance, lack of insight, and disrespect for community concern (last count the petition was over 600 signatures) can be compared with the same attitude of Higgins, Spitzer, et al. So in essence sway the opinion of Clarence Pundit and you have Higgins and the rest believing that the Boulevard Alternative is the only way to bring down the current barrier on our waterfront. Just a thought.

    If you think that is a reasonable, non-controversial post that merely expresses a disagreement with me, then I think you’re wrong. That is an insulting, off-topic attack on me, and I wasn’t going to let it stand.

    He topped it off at his own site with:

    Yet its amazing to me that some people are still in a “lets-just-shut-up-and-get-something-done” mindset. Unbelievable. These folks seem content with second rate projects and second rate results, which says plenty about what kind of character they have. Why not shoot for perfection, especially on our waterfront? I guess if I’m from Clarence though, I really wouldn’t care, but why act so vehemently against something like this? Too much time on your hands? Constant need for attention? Pure arrogance? Not sure.

    You know what? Fuck. That.

    The difference between “Pundit, I think you’re wrong and here’s why…” versus “Pundit, you have no right talking about this because you’re in Clarence, and because you’re arrogant and of low character.” is cavernous.

  19. Mike Miller November 20, 2007 at 12:32 pm #

    Regardless of who is right, who is wrong, who lives in the city, who lives in the suburbs, what EXACTLY is all this accomplishing?

    Who of any importance out there is listening to any of this and in reference to this particular thread, who’d want to? It’s all a big waste of time. I give up trying for reason and for constructive opining. You all just want to waste time arguing until you feel you’ve won.

    Welcome to Buffalo. Same as it ever was.

  20. ryan November 20, 2007 at 1:39 pm #

    “Regardless of who is right, who is wrong, who lives in the city, who lives in the suburbs, what EXACTLY is all this accomplishing?”

    Higher adclick revenue.

  21. frieda November 20, 2007 at 1:46 pm #

    Keep it up Pundit. You are as good a read as it gets. And OOOOH Toys ,R US. You can use the word FUCK and SHIT , you are too cool for words. Why don’t you get the Fuck out of Dodge yourself.

  22. dougk November 20, 2007 at 1:58 pm #

    pundit…noun; hindi ‘pan?d?it’, from Sanskrit ‘pan?d?ita’; 1)a learned man; 2) a person who gives opinions in an authoritative manner usually through the mass media

  23. dougk November 20, 2007 at 2:00 pm #

    that don’t look too good, do it?

    REVISION FOLLOWS

    pundit…noun; hindi ‘pandit’, from Sanskrit ‘pandita’; 1)a learned man; 2) a person who gives opinions in an authoritative manner usually through the mass media

  24. dougk November 20, 2007 at 2:03 pm #

    more better, eh?

  25. Christopher Smith November 20, 2007 at 3:05 pm #

    Yeah, Clarence Pundit! You don’t agree with the masses and defend yourself when someone insults you!

    Why don’t you move back to Boston you elitist jagoff!#!@#@ What do we need with concerned citizens who care about their community? We need more mindless automatons!

    Frankly, I’m pretty close to asking Mrs. Geek to move back to Chicago where we can sit by our expressway along the waterfront and enjoy Front Park. Lots of jobs, great architecture, development boom, major league sports, great restaurants, developed waterfront, coherent regional mass transit plan, colleges and universities….damn, no wonder STEEL still lives there.

    Days like this really make me miss it.

  26. hank November 20, 2007 at 3:08 pm #

    BP Says

    The difference between “Pundit, I think you’re wrong and here’s why…” versus “Pundit, you have no right talking about this because you’re in Clarence, and because you’re arrogant and of low character.” is cavernous.

    Alan if you never got it right before in your life (and of course you have), you nailed that one. Just the fact you were called “Clarence Pundit” shows the depth of the Bullshit that keeps things stagnant up there. I guess if you’re from Eden or Alden or Clarence, what you have to say about WNY don’t count.
    That’s just fucking ridiculous. And that’s why Buffalo is still the Armpit of the Rust Belt, where cities like Pittsburgh and Cleveland have changed their image. I guess the percentage of snarky asshats is much lower in those cities.

    I guess the lake froze over today too. My secret admirer John Burke shows my pal Rus Thompson some respect. I thought the day would never come when we would ever agree on anything–except that I’m a fat fuck. Score one for ‘ade.

  27. Haterade November 20, 2007 at 3:57 pm #

    Hank … we’ve agreed a LOT lately …. which is unsettling to me as well. Truth be told, if we stay away from the “U” word, we agree more often than not.

  28. STEEL November 20, 2007 at 5:18 pm #

    So one guy puts up a stupid comment and that is being flamed? You are directing this piece at that one guy?

    Should I start judging WNYM based on one or two commenters?

  29. Buffalopundit November 20, 2007 at 5:24 pm #

    So one guy puts up a stupid comment and that is being flamed? You are directing this piece at that one guy?

    Yes and yes.

    Should I start judging WNYM based on one or two commenters?

    Is your comment about WNYM, its commenters, BRO, or its commenters? Because my post is about what one kid wrote about me on his site and on BRO. Give it a rest, Steel. Not everything is a shot at BRO ferchrissakes.

  30. starbuck November 20, 2007 at 6:46 pm #

    You are directing this piece at that one guy?

    Don’t mean to intrude, but Steel was that a serious question?

    How much clearer could this post’s title possibly be that it’s directed totally to what that guy had written?

    And then after the title, every word of every sentence looks as focused toward him as English allows, short of writing
    “Jason” before each word.

    Ok, continue. Just thought somebody had to say it.

  31. Rifle Dude November 20, 2007 at 8:14 pm #

    What else would you expect from Jason – a person who lists his occupation as “government?”

  32. Size Nine November 20, 2007 at 11:28 pm #

    That’s correct, Pundit, it isn’t at your campaign website. You cited your passion as a qualification for elected office at Buffalo Rising on August 9:
    http://www.buffalorising.com/story/visit_planet_heroes_the_buffal

    Actually, I also think about about the uses and misuses of emotion in public life. I worry less that emotion (or “passion”) is present and more that it is obligatory.

  33. Buffalopundit November 21, 2007 at 5:11 am #

    First of all, no I didn’t. In dealing with someone who was trolling BRO’s comments using two pseudonyms, I had to respond to an asinine comment about my “condescension” after said person left a cretinous comment about Fisher Price and commercialism and marketing toys to kids. That person said that I was condescending and profane and that I didn’t have the temperament to be elected to office.

    Gee, that sounds familiar.

    I responded that my sometimes intemperate remarks mean that I have passion, and people sometimes want that. It was a comment not dissimilar to what I wrote to you yesterday, and I never, ever listed it as one of my “best qualifications” for public office.

    Secondly, that exchange is so obscure that I had forgotten about it until you linked to it. I suspect, going through your past comments, that you are BRO’s “42nate” and “Frankster” and “Mister Chips”, because the writing style is similar, and the topics you post about seem to follow a similar pattern. In which case, I’m pretty sure I know who you are. Cheers.

  34. mike hudson November 21, 2007 at 6:38 am #

    five hundred signatures is 290 short of what it wakes to get on the ballot as a cadidate for city council in niagara falls.

  35. Pauldub November 21, 2007 at 8:54 am #

    Does yhis mean that the opposition to the connector is less popular than Vince Anello?

  36. Tatonka November 21, 2007 at 12:44 pm #

    Sock puppets on Buffalo Pundit and <BRO !! Fascinating.

  37. TheRover November 24, 2007 at 10:06 am #

    What ever happened to the concept of repectively agreeing to disagree?

  38. TheRover November 24, 2007 at 12:18 pm #

    respecfully, sorry

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