Easy Peasy

30 Jul

I heard Jesse “the Body” Ventura on Stern yesterday, and he read this quote:

Naturally the common people don’t want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.

He used it to describe what Bush and the neocons pulled off with respect to Iraq.

Click here to see who actually said it.

23 Responses to “Easy Peasy”

  1. Terry July 30, 2008 at 6:16 am #

    The masses are asses…………..

  2. Russell July 30, 2008 at 6:18 am #

    Godwin’s Law taken up a notch.

    Couldn’t that just as easily apply to what the Founding Fathers did to bolster their cause for war? Isn’t this what went on during Lincoln’s early days in office? Isn’t this precisely what Woodrow Wilson had to do to convince the nation to go to war after campaigning on “He kept us out of war”?

    You could use it to describe just about any movement into war, not just George W Bush and the Neo-Cons. In fact, that’s what Goering was trying to do. It’s lame to dig up a Nazi quote just to apply it to this current administration. You could use Nazi quotes for any purpose along these lines against any one you want.

    BP, you mock this whenever someone does it on your site, but now you hold it up when it suits your purpose. You’ve dedicated yourself to pointing out the hypocrisy of others lately, but what is this?

  3. Buffalopundit July 30, 2008 at 6:44 am #

    This is something interesting I heard on the radio and thought I’d pass along. Where in my post do I endorse the statement or even passively agree with it?

    Calm down.

  4. Jim Hyzy July 30, 2008 at 7:03 am #

    Zeich, Jesse!

  5. Russell July 30, 2008 at 7:09 am #

    Why would you pass it along and set up the suspense of who said it if you did not passively or tacitly agree with it? Why would you post something on your site along the lines of Godwin’s Law when you regularly deplore that?

  6. Buffalopundit July 30, 2008 at 7:14 am #

    1. Because I thought it was interesting;
    2. I had never read it before;
    3. When I heard it, I couldn’t guess who said it; and
    4. I felt like it.

  7. Russell July 30, 2008 at 7:47 am #

    Hmmm, you never thought practitioners of Godwin’s Law were interesting before. I thought you above Nazi comparisons. You always claimed to be. I guess you’re not above anything as long as it suits your slanted views.

    If someone that rails against casinos while cashing in on casino profits is a hypocrite, what is someone who rails against Godwin’s Law, but then posts an “interesting” version of it?

  8. Buffalopundit July 30, 2008 at 7:52 am #

    Your favorite blog and writer.

  9. WNYMind July 30, 2008 at 8:03 am #

    I didn’t know Jesse the “fill in the blank” merits more than a yawn these days.

  10. Jim July 30, 2008 at 8:10 am #

    I didn’t think Godwin’s Law applied when you were actually talking about Nazis – – isn’t it more interesting that Governor Body is using uncredited Nazi quotes on a national has-been’s radio show?

  11. Russell July 30, 2008 at 8:21 am #

    Well played.

  12. Eric P. July 30, 2008 at 8:49 am #

    The quote (I don’t know or care if Jesse The Body attributed it or not) is about a simple machiavellian truth regarding propaganda and political leadership.

    The statement / quote IS interesting.

    @Howard: How is this some kind of endorsement of Nazi tactics? Sorry, Godwin’s Law doesn’t apply. I know it upsets your tender right-wing sensibilities to hear any implication that the Bush Administration has lied, propagandized and murdered. The point is that the tactics are not new, they have just been fine-tuned (and catapulted) by your beloved freedom-fries neo-con fucktards.

    @BP: Why do you hate America? Don’t you know any nice qoutes from some nice, patriotic Americans?

  13. Russell July 30, 2008 at 9:40 am #

    Who’s Howard? Are you responding to Stern?

    My point was also that it’s nothing new. I don’t think you can even say Bush and the neo-cons fine tuned anything. There was nothing new to wha they did. As you pointed out, these tactics have been around for centuries and will be for many more. It’s no more about Bush or the neo-cons as it is about any administration or government leaders.

  14. Eric P. July 30, 2008 at 10:15 am #

    Sorry, I meant Russell, not Howard. You had a Howard-like take on BP’s post. Sorry for the mix up, but perhaps we can pre-empt Howards eventual input into this discussion.

    The neo-cons certainly did fine-tune these tactics for a 21st century media. If you can’t acknowledge that, there isn’t much point in words.

    It is often pointless to try to convince Bush apologists of anything – and the characterization of the right as “always wrong, but never in doubt” is really pretty accurate.

  15. Russell July 30, 2008 at 11:53 am #

    All I’m saying is there’s nothing new or novel about what Bush and the neo-cons have done on this front. If you want to call adjustments to present technology “fine tuning” then that’s okay, but they did not do anything beyond what’s been done for centuries. All the principles are still the same and this could have just as easily applied to anyone, anywhere, at any time in a leadership position.

    I’m not a blind follower of George W Bush. I think his presidency is very much a disappoinment in many ways. However, I am tired of the constant hyperbole and outlandish statements so many people make against this administration. I’m also perplexed by the fact that so many people on this website think they can make huge assumptions and generalizations about people based solely on their political affiliation. They can decide that a person is completely 100% in support of everything a politician says or does if they support just one thing about that politician, yet they scream bloody murder and carry on a tantrum for weeks when others make that kind of assumption about them for supporting or questioning only one thing.

  16. hank July 30, 2008 at 3:33 pm #

    All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked,

    So I guess 9/11 didn’t happen. That fucking hole in the ground, the side of the Pentagon, and the wreckage and burn spot in PA were just some photoshopped shit.

    Have you been in the world trade center since 9/11?

    Ask the relatives of the 3000 dead Americans if they were BEING ATTACKED, or TOLD THEY WERE BEING ATTACKED.

    Bad proofreading Alan. Unless 9/11 is just a neo-con fantasy.

  17. Jon Splett July 30, 2008 at 4:24 pm #

    Hank – Iraq didn’t attack us on 9/11 champ.

    Now don’t you have some churches full of gay folk to go shoot up?

  18. Eric P. July 30, 2008 at 7:36 pm #

    @Russell:
    It really is a question of degree. Yes, these tactics have been used for centuries, but the last 7 years have been a relentless onslaught of right wing fearmongering, flag waving phony patriotism and all-out lies.

    @Hank: Ease up on the capital letters, you’ll give youself an aneurism.

    @Jon: Well said, and amusing as usual.

  19. hank July 31, 2008 at 11:50 am #

    Splett-What Church do you go to?

  20. mike July 31, 2008 at 12:29 pm #

    Please give hank a break, didnt you mom teach you to not pick on retarded people.

  21. Jon Splett July 31, 2008 at 12:40 pm #

    I’m a follower of the one and only true faith, the Church of the Flying Spaghetti monster.

    So by your logic, shoot up the building next door and you should be good.

  22. Russell July 31, 2008 at 1:09 pm #

    @Eric: You have no sense of history or real perspective if you think these last 7 years are unprecedented in their severity of the things you mentioned. In the US alone, we had far worse examples during the Civil War of phony patriotism, along with the fearmongering and lies. The Spanish American War truly set the bar on lies and fabrications, along with fearmongering and phony patriotism. Fearmongering hit the all-time high during WWI with the posters depicting German Huns going after our women and children and plenty of phony patriotism and lies were thrown in for good measure. And that’s just a few examples from right here in the good ole US of A. Again, nothing unique and I wouldn’t even say they raised the bar on degree or severity.

  23. Dave A. August 1, 2008 at 9:00 pm #

    Don’t forget the U.S. MExican War, or McCarthyism. That’s not the point. Don’t let the matter of who said it mask the truthfulness of the statement. All of the historical examples prove it’s truthiness.

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