The Debate in a Nutshell

3 Oct

I’m cribbing this wholesale from Roatti at TAP, but I thought this was not only Biden’s most compelling moment last night, and Palin’s inability to diverge from her talking points (“mavrick”) is underscored here.

Note also that the question had been, “what is your achilles heel”, and Palin answered first. Her answer was replete only with her recounting her supposed vast executive experience – she either didn’t hear, didn’t understand, or ignored the question. You betcha.

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27 Responses to “The Debate in a Nutshell”

  1. al-alo October 3, 2008 at 7:16 am #

    Does Palin win by not saying anything too stupid? Is that how we choose public officials now? I like how Politico termed it: “it was policy as a second language — adequate, but not enlightening.”

    If I were the McCain camp, Id be careful not to let this get me too overconfident. This format didnt allow for much follow up or candidate interaction. Get her on Meet the Press or have her do another interview where she would be pressed on the issues, Id bet she would have a little more trouble, and possibly fumble in a big way.

    She stopped the hemoraging. But is it just reduced to a slow bleed?

  2. mike October 3, 2008 at 7:32 am #

    Fox and Hudson were so right about Gwen awful, she gave the debate to Biden. I have never seen a person so bias against the right, every question was about issues that nobody cared about except the liberal media.

  3. al-alo October 3, 2008 at 7:44 am #

    mike, dont I know it!!!

    Dont forget the other coverups about Gwen Ifill: She hates kittens, rainbows and the American flag; She belches loudly when company visits PBS; and when kids come to her house on Halloween – she give them pennies!!!

  4. Pete H October 3, 2008 at 8:28 am #

    Yep. No one cared at all about the financial meltdown, what spending plans would have to be sacrificed because of the bailout, what tax plans they have. How dare she ask those questions.

  5. buffaloobserver October 3, 2008 at 8:51 am #

    I am already tired of hearing how Governor Palin is “folksy” and so “down to earth”, blah, blah ,blah. Just have one thing to say.
    Sarah Palin —- YOU”RE NO HARRY TRUMAN !

  6. sbrof October 3, 2008 at 9:03 am #

    “issues that nobody cared about except the liberal media”

    When is it ok to step in and engage another country or regime? What is your weakness that you bring to the position of VP? How would you work with both parties to change the culture of partisan polarization in Washington? yeah those darn liberal questions.

  7. heather October 3, 2008 at 9:04 am #

    Al-Alo – This debate is one of the more functional elements of our electoral process. Just look at how much time and effort we waste on discussing petty little details of the candidates and then spinning those details into something that the general public can regurgitate to support their side.

    The political process has become a running joke without a funny punchline. We have been discussing the least political and meaningful aspects of all candidates for more than 2 years. We know more about their personal lives and past foibles, than we do about how well they will actually do in office. The questions asked last night were softballs, they were targeted for an easy and prepared response, with only a hint of personal interjection from the candidates.

    The end result of this dog and pony show is that we have only two candidates and their running mates; hand picked by their parties for their past ability to follow the party line and not offend anyone. The questions that were asked were predictable, and the answers were mediocre from both sides. I don’t think that Biden or Palin really said anything that we haven’t heard through a million other sound bites and canned interviews.

    I really wish that more people could take an objective view of politics instead of letting their subjective feelings, notions, and biases dictate their vote. There are too many people whose entire perspective of politics is ‘the other side sucks and mine is better’. Most of these people are incapable of seeing beyond the labels placed on the candidate to see who is most capable for the job.

  8. indabuff October 3, 2008 at 9:26 am #

    @heather

    You said…

    “The end result of this dog and pony show is that we have only two candidates and their running mates; hand picked by their parties for their past ability to follow the party line and not offend anyone. The questions that were asked were predictable, and the answers were mediocre from both sides. I don’t think that Biden or Palin really said anything that we haven’t heard through a million other sound bites and canned interviews.”

    What you said!

  9. Brian October 3, 2008 at 9:27 am #

    I don’t understand why Gwen Aweful didn’t ask why Barack Obama was pretending to be a Christian when he is obviously a Muslim. Nor did she ask Biden how come he wasn’t as Maverick-ey as John McCain or Sarah Palin. Skinning a moose didn’t wasn’t brought up once! I can’t stand the liberal bias of the main stream media. They should talk about real issues that Americans care about, like shooting wolves from airplanes.

  10. Mike In WNY October 3, 2008 at 9:31 am #

    The debate was a draw. Biden, with 30 years in the Senate, is going to come across as a more polished speaker. Palin held her own and scored with the crowd that mattered. Both sides played to their support well.

    There was virtually no difference between them substantively. They both advocated interventionist foreign policies, just slightly different details. Neither side acknowledged the role of government and the Fed’s monetary policies as a cause of our economic problems. They threw around the words regulation and deregulation as if they knew what they were talking about. Any deregulation we’ve had has been mitigated by other regulations, subsidies and the increase in the monetary supply.

    Basically, we are on the cusp of the voters putting another Republocrat in the White House and maintaining the status quo. It was evident by the partisan crowd watching the debate that the major interest was in seeing “their guy” look good without delving far enough into the issues to vote for real, beneficial change.

  11. Pauldub October 3, 2008 at 9:32 am #

    Brian – In my personal opinion, Wolves do not belong in airplanes, and should be shot before they ever get in one.

  12. Mike In WNY October 3, 2008 at 9:34 am #

    As far as Gwen Ifill is concerned, despite my earlier remarks, I think she did a fine, unbiased job as moderator. I do stick by my earlier statements and think she should have held herself to a higher standard, in light of her book, and stepped aside. The appearance of impropriety before the debate is something that was real and she should have stepped aside.

  13. mike hudson October 3, 2008 at 9:50 am #

    was health care addressed? how about illegal immigration? ifill’s problem wasn’t bias, it was that she has an undeniable personal financial stake in the outcome of the coming election.

    i’ve been the target of much ill-informed criticism here and elsewhere about being “on the payroll” of state sen. george maziarz, howard milstein, jack davis, frank parlato, steve pigeon and tom golisano, on the basis of no evidence whatsoever.

    the same people who’ve accused me have rushed to ifill’s defense when she quite clearly stands to profit should obama/biden prevail.

    hypocrites.

  14. Ivan October 3, 2008 at 9:55 am #

    I fell asleep at the global warming part…..

  15. Dave A. October 3, 2008 at 10:02 am #

    Questions and issues that nobody cares about but the liberal media?

    Let me explain something. I left my law practice last year to return to the active-duty military. Yesterday we put a 21-year-old private – my own kids’ age – onto a plane to the desert. We also have another soldier whose husband will ship out next week, leaving her alone with three pre-school aged children. When the candidates talk about the surge, it’s more than an academic theory. And to say that nobody but the media gives a damn, even as a throwaway line, is an insult to everybody who’s sacrificed part of their lives to be over there.

  16. Byron October 3, 2008 at 10:04 am #

    McCain voluntarily agreed to let Ifill moderate the debate two weeks after her book was announced. As recently as a few days ago both he and Palin said they had no problems with her. Now the Whiner Caucus complains of bias.

    Whatever.

  17. Mike In WNY October 3, 2008 at 10:06 am #

    Health care was discussed with the Obama/Biden team advocating socialized health care. Biden also misrepresented McCain’s health care tax credit plan saying it would cost the middle class more money, when if fact it would result in a savings while encouraging market competition that would lower prices and decision making between doctor and patient instead of a bureaucrat. The Buffalo News article Tuesday about the veteran who was denied treatment at the VA for a possible cancerous tumor because of budget constraints is a very good preview of what we can look forward to under Nationalized Health Care.

  18. Dave A. October 3, 2008 at 10:09 am #

    I thought I had posted this, but it’s not showing up. Forgive me if this turns out to be a duplicate post…

    Questions and issues that nobody cares about but the liberal media?

    Let me explain something. I left my law practice last year to return to the active-duty military. Yesterday we put a 21-year-old private – my own kids’ age – onto a plane to the desert. We also have another soldier whose husband will ship out next week, leaving her alone with three pre-school aged children. When the candidates talk about the surge, it’s more than an academic theory. And to say that nobody but the media gives a damn, even as a throwaway line, is an insult to everybody who’s sacrificed part of their lives to be over there.

  19. mike October 3, 2008 at 10:10 am #

    Hudson is right on again, Gwen will make Zillons off that book if Barry wins. Of course she’s not going to ask questions about immigration, is barry going to give up his maid, fruit picker or walmart floor washer? No way!!

  20. Byron October 3, 2008 at 10:11 am #

    Another good reason to vote Democratic. Republicans don’t give a damn whether people have health insurance coverage.

    Obama-Biden!

  21. Byron October 3, 2008 at 10:14 am #

    CNN poll says Biden won big.

  22. Jim H October 3, 2008 at 10:26 am #

    It was a draw – they both were nervous and tentative in their responses – some were substative, some not so much. Therefore, since Biden’s been doing this since Sarah Palin was listening to the DeFranco family on 45s, I have to give it to Palin. Ifill was a non-factor, I’m sure, in no small measure due to the publicity she’d received.

  23. Slothrop October 3, 2008 at 11:07 am #

    Maybe its just me, but I don’t think “oh gosh” or “gee wiz” are good domestic or foreign policies.

  24. The Humanist October 3, 2008 at 12:10 pm #

    With all of Palin’s winking, I thought I was watching a beer commercial.

    “Vote for me and I might bang ya!”

  25. frieda October 3, 2008 at 2:20 pm #

    So Sarah wants to bring a common sense approach to issues which she claims to find on main street Wasilla into National politics? WASILLA, the methamphetamine capital of Alaska.

  26. FoxyLady October 3, 2008 at 7:50 pm #

    Presidential and VP Debates……….YAWN!

  27. Dan October 4, 2008 at 9:24 am #

    Can someone tell me when this happened?:

    “When we kicked — along with France, we kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon, I said and Barack said, “Move NATO forces in there. Fill the vacuum, because if you don’t know — if you don’t, Hezbollah will control it.” Now what’s happened? Hezbollah is a legitimate part of the government in the country immediately to the north of Israel.”

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