ACORN! AYERS! Debate Live-ish Blog

15 Oct

Wrap-up: McCain was more aggressive, almost excessively so, and I didn’t think it came across well. The split-screen was not McCain’s friend tonight. McCain seemed like a hyperactive kid who can’t sit still, be nice, and behave. He seemed to me to be throwing whatever he could against the wall to see if it would stick. Ayers isn’t important, but let me throw some accusations about Ayers at Obama and demand a response. I don’t have a litmus test for judges except for Roe. The pro-abortion extremists are always sooooo concerned about the mother’s airquotes-health-close airquotes. (WTF was that about, BTW?)

Obama was cool as a cucumber and gracious to McCain. I noticed at the very end of the debate, when McCain got in some petulant dig at Obama and started giggling, Obama did not react. I liked that. He maintained. That’s all that he needed to do to win, and again, Obama is 3 for 3, although McCain came out swinging, but soon got nasty while Obama just kept doing his thing.

10:30 — Education question from Schieffer – Obama ties it into our economic future, which is perfectly excellent. We need to feed that hunger for knowledge. McCain goes to school choice and vouchers. The thing is, Obama already explained that he was for charter schools and merit pay for teachers about an hour ago.

Why is McCain being such an unrepentant dick to his opponent? It doesn’t become him.

10:14 — Obama parries every one of McCain’s increasingly desperate-sounding attacks, and McCain’s eyebrows head for the stratosphere, making him look grandmotherly.

Ledbetter v. Good Year Tire comes up in the debate – Obama uses it as an example of a decision he didn’t like because it rejected a lawsuit by a woman who sought pay parity.

Hey, let’s play “men talk abortion!” Roe v. Wade – McCain says it should be a state issue. I agree. I think New York should become a safe haven for women who want abortions. Did McCain just use air quotes? Seriously? They’re talking supreme court justices now. Harriet Myers need not apply. Obama says – no litmus test, he wants judges who will be fair and just.

10:06 — McCain’s nasty tone is not pleasing the uncommitted Ohio voters. Can you fucking believe that we’re the richest, greatest country in the world and we refuse to give people insurance coverage? Seriously, my friends, Joe the Plumber would probably want the government to take health care for his employees off his hands, too.

Obama is taking it to McCain a bit now when McCain accuses Obama of wanting to fine businesses who don’t cover employees, and for advocating for single-payer, raising the specter of “Canada and England”, both of which have health care systems that are not significantly more or less dysfunctional than our own. So I fail to see the point, except that there, you can undergo major surgery or deliver a baby gratis.

Does your “gold-plated Cadillac” healthcare plan offer cosmetic surgery coverage?

Obama lays out his health care plan, which maintains your current plan if you’re happy with it, but will also provide people without insurance to obtain coverage. The CNN approval-ometer just went through the roof. I wonder if McCain thinks every time he says “Joe the Plumber” that might count for a 0.1% poll rise.

9:57 — McCain: Obama = Hoover. Jesus, that’s a Stretch Armstrong stretch.

Obama sets up free trade as not being free as far as China and South Korea are concerned – they manipulate the system to ensure that they can dump our market, yet they place barriers against our products going there. This is a key issue that needs to be addressed and enforced. I’ll note McCain is being very dismissive and insulting to Obama, while Obama is being respectful to McCain.

Notice that almost always, Obama talks right to you – in the camera – while McCain is addressing Schieffer. This isn’t Face the Nation, Senator. You should be addressing the voters, not the moderator.

McCain poo-poohs the notion that we need to ensure that nuclear energy production needs to be done safely. Has everyone forgotten Three Mile Island? Already? Chernobyl?

9:46 — I’m on trial this week, so I’m home watching this “debate” which so far has been little more than a McCain hail-mary pass whereby he is throwing red meat to the base, bringing up ACORN and Bill Ayers. Somehow a “Sarah Palin is a c*nt” t-shirt is, according to Senator McCain, the moral equivalent of Sarah Palin accusing Obama of “palling around with terrorists” and McCain supporters calling for the assassination of the “terrorist” Obama. McCain’s aggressive tone tonight may certainly help shore up the already-shored-up base, but I don’t know whether or not it will play well with independents.

Obama so far is doing a good job trying to steer the debate back towards issues that people are concerned about like the economy, health care, education, foreign policy, and giving the middle class a tax cut. I thought McCain sounded whiny on these points.

The other star of tonight’s debate is “Joe the Plumber“, who has become the emblem du jour of the everyman. Obama’s point is that under his tax plan, the plumber would have had a tax break and been able to buy the business he wants to buy sooner.

26 Responses to “ACORN! AYERS! Debate Live-ish Blog”

  1. Patrick October 15, 2008 at 10:54 pm #

    McCain tried to hijack the “Joe the Plumber” story and it didn’t work. It reeked of pandering.

  2. 1776 October 15, 2008 at 10:57 pm #

    I can’t believe McCain had the audacity to express outrage that someone was wearing a shirt calling Palin the “c” word at an Obama rally when he referred to HIS OWN WIFE using that exact same word within the hearing of several reporters. One of the things that has always troubled me about McCain, going back to 2000 and even before is that he just seems like he has a kind of split personality–the person he wants to be in public with this underlayer of boiling rage that can just blow up. He is a man of many contradictions.

  3. politicallyconcerned October 15, 2008 at 11:05 pm #

    Magnificent performance for Barack Obama.
    Cool as could be expected.
    Excellent.

  4. wiztard October 15, 2008 at 11:27 pm #

    obama is my dreamboat!

  5. Pauldub October 15, 2008 at 11:29 pm #

    Great crowd at Cole’s
    Was it my imagination, or did McCain say that the “gold plated cadillac” health care plan included cosmetic surgery and TRANSPLANTS?

  6. Kevin J. October 15, 2008 at 11:40 pm #

    Yep, McCain said “cosmetic surgery and transplants” during the health care discussion. Val and I got to Cole’s just as things started; glad we didn’t miss anything.

  7. The Wizard October 15, 2008 at 11:40 pm #

    I have no connection to this “wiztard” character. He’s not part of the family.

    In other news, Alice Kryzan is a liar and a cheat. She took $80,000 in PAC and special interest money. I guess she’s given up the slogan of “fighting for our interests and not the special interets.” She also recieved money from Nancy Pelosi!!! She’s a Washington insider now, too!

  8. Adam October 16, 2008 at 12:09 am #

    Wow, Obama’s going to most likely win, but this comment section makes me giggle. Open your eyes, guys and gals…open your eyes.

  9. mike October 16, 2008 at 12:14 am #

    McCain will win, due to the bubba factor.

  10. wizards cousin mizard October 16, 2008 at 12:22 am #

    Obama won using common sense — but McCain appealed to his base – idiot voters

  11. Daniel Jones October 16, 2008 at 12:49 am #

    Great turnout at Cole’s, enjoyable crowd to hang around and chat with as well.

  12. STEEL October 16, 2008 at 12:49 am #

    So McCain seems to believe that by reprocessing nuclear waste that it just goes away or becomes safe. What does he think they are reprocessing it into? Gold?

    Also, MaCain’s strongest (and only) qualification for Palin as president is that he is “proud” of her. Oooo goody!

  13. The Wizard Jr October 16, 2008 at 1:05 am #

    My father, the Wizard, was at Coles and he said it was sweet. Past my bedtime. Pundit, I hope, in the interest of fairness, that you call the Kryzan campaign and get a quote on why they sold out and took special interest money when she railed against Jon Powers for taking money from ALL of the same organizations…

    I wouldn’t vote for this woman for Dog Catcher.

  14. Mike In WNY October 16, 2008 at 2:06 am #

    Neither candidate has an energy policy. We can’t pick & choose which country to buy, or not buy, oil from. The price is determined on the spot market, whether or not we buy from the Middle East and Venezueala.

    Obama wants to take away our choice when it comes to health care and education for our children . . . a HUGE negative. McCsin foolishly wants to reform No Child Left Behind. On the other hand, McCain supporting vouchers was probably the most coherent policy put forth by either candidate.

    All in all, both candidates made some good points them proceeded to shoot themselves in the foot.

  15. Dave A. October 16, 2008 at 3:48 am #

    For the record, I lean left, and will probably vote for Obama. But I had to laugh at both candidates when they said there’s not litmus test for Suprem Court candidates – it’s insulting to the intelligence.

    I’m guessing they know by heart every major case coming before the Court in the next few years. There are special interest groups that are publicly scouting for the right case to move up to the Court. My guess is, both campaigns already have the names of dozens of judges on hand, and will vett them for every decision they’ve ever been involved in and will decide on in the future.

    If they name a justice without assurances on how he/she would vote on the abortion issue, then they’re doing a poor job screening.

    I agree with McCain on one thing – A vote to confirm a nominee should rest with qualifications, not to be confused with ideology. Obama was right on his answer that privacy is a federal right that individual states can’t infringe on; but it looked like he was trying to make the make an argument to a court, not the public.

  16. Hap Klein October 16, 2008 at 8:59 am #

    Frankly I am very worried. Last night Obama admitted being on the committee with some very important Republicans during the 1990’s in Chicago.

    I think it was very remiss for the Democrats to allow themselves to be represented by this man who had such close past associations with the party of failure.

    Wo knows what promises might have secretly been made during the many meetings Obama and the Republicans attended.

    Somebody had better look into this!

  17. WNYPMH October 16, 2008 at 9:28 am #

    Yep, Hap. I am sure that at the education reform meetings Obam and some Republicans figured Obama was a shoe-in for the presidency 10-12 years later and they hatched a secret plan for Obama to win so that they could take over the government.

    I think, Hap, attended the Hudson’s Mommas Basement Debate Watch Party.

  18. wiztard October 16, 2008 at 9:44 am #

    obama makes me wet.

  19. wiztard jr. October 16, 2008 at 9:46 am #

    and chris lee is such a hunk, isn’t he papa?

  20. wiztard's cousin miztard October 16, 2008 at 9:48 am #

    so tall, so dark, so handsome! obama is everything i always dreamed of in a man!

  21. The Humanist October 16, 2008 at 11:21 am #

    John McCain, 10/16/08: the “health” of the mother (guffaw)

    The Humanist, 10/17/08: the “likelihood” that mean old man will win the election (guffaw)

  22. The Wizard October 16, 2008 at 11:32 am #

    What’s with all these Wizard imposters?

    Pundit – I’m calling for a crackdown on these frauds!

  23. wizards cousin mizard October 16, 2008 at 12:09 pm #

    Although I was the first play off of Wizard, it was because I agreed with his stances.

    Sadly the tard posting above has no reason why their person makes a good candidate —

    Kind of like how McCain couldn’t actually talk about his policies during the debate. He just attacked Obama’s side.

    Sad, old, angry man.

  24. The Wizard October 16, 2008 at 12:11 pm #

    Mizard is a great blogger and one hell of a fine American.

  25. wizards cousin mizard October 16, 2008 at 1:57 pm #

    God Bless America.

  26. Hap Klein October 17, 2008 at 3:20 pm #

    As symbols or ikons of any significance,both Ayers and Joe the Plumber certainly had short lives.
    John McCain tried to enoble Joe the Lumber in some sort of strange manner by co-opting him from Obama. Joe was invited to join McCain at Toledo this weekend by Joe has New York TV appointments. Yesterday Barak dismissed him as a questionable anything asking how many plumbers make over a quarter million a year. Now today it emerges that good ol’ middle class Joe is in trouble for not paying his income taxes and hs problems of doing some licensed work without a license.

    Ayers has quietly slipped back into the shadows. Whatever he did and advocated forty years ago seems more than compensated by his significant contributions of the past twenty years.

    But you could not invent a campaign full of characters like these.

    But it is sad that at the same time issues like these dominate that now the US is ranked 15th out of 30 in the world in electronic technology and reamins a leading industrial nation in infant mortality. What is discussed? Health plans that are now well beyond our financial ability to reform and tax breaks that we haven’t been able to afford for seven years.

    O tempora! O mores!

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