4 Apr

While the #TCDOT right is busy screaming about spending, consider that Bush Administration budgets omitted figures for the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq completely. The Obama budget for FY 2010 is $3.5 trillion, including funding for the aforementioned wars. The last Bush budget for FY 2009 was $3.1 trillion, and did not include the cost of the wars.

Traditionally all 2009 spending would be included in the budget President Bush drafted in February 2008, but Bush chose to fund the war through emergency supplemental appropriations instead. He did not ask Congress for a 2009 supplemental appropriation before he left office, choosing instead to leave that to the next president. (President Obama asked for another $76 billion for the wars for fiscal 2009.)

And $326 billion of the stimulus package’s $787 billion was for tax cuts. Suck it, #TCDOTs.

17 Responses to “#TCDOT 2”

  1. Ward April 4, 2009 at 10:07 am #

    Then again, the current POTUS has a firm grip on the whole concept. Here the U.K. Guardian analyzes his response to a pointed query:

    Maybe it was the Nyquil.

  2. Facts Plz April 4, 2009 at 12:33 pm #

    I don’t know if I am remembering this correctly or not, but I dont think Obama ran against Bush, did he? I thought the repub candidate was McCain, but I could be wrong.

    Comparing Obama’s current trainwreck of a budget to the bush trainwreck of a Budget is NOT inspiring or hopeful.

    Listen to the link from Ward above and what do you hear, other than a sonorious empty suit with no clue about leadership on the world stage or the intricacies of either domestic or global economics. He is truly harrowing.

  3. Buffalopundit April 4, 2009 at 1:13 pm #

    Well, God only forbid that Facts Plz be harrowed.

    Thank you SO MUCH for the insight as to whom Obama ran against. That has got to be the most intelligent and thoughtful comment ever left on this site, ever in its almost 6-year history. Never would I have known that Obama ran against John McCain had Facts Plz not piped up to inform me of it. A million thanks, again.

    But query why I would give a flying fuck about John McCain? I mean, as you indicated Facts Plz, McCain lost. So instead, it seems fitting to turn instead to Obama’s immediate predecessor, one George W. Bush – conservative beacon of truth, justice, torture, and Jesus.

    There, we learn that Bush’s budget was almost as large as Obama’s, but funding for two land wars in Asia was omitted therefrom. I know that the “McCain” and “harrowing” comment is raised because you have absolutely no defense to that fact. You have nothing. Your talking points are valueless and without substance, and you have no way to rebut the fact that Obama’s budget is no more or less fiscally prudent or reckless; no more or less socialist or otherwise, than his predecessor’s.

    Instead, you and Ward bring up a hilarious non-sequitur from the Guardian about a question asked at the G20 summit – a question having to do with the financial crisis, not with the 2009 vs. 2010 budget.

    So, technically, your comments are one of two things, if not both: (1) totally and completely off-topic threadjacks; and/or (2) pathetic attempts to deflect the fact that Bush’s 2009 was pretty comparable to Obama’s 2010 budget if the cost of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars are factored in.

    But I’ll wait until Monday when Limbaugh can bring you guys up to speed on what to say and think about the issues of the day.

  4. Facts Plz April 4, 2009 at 1:41 pm #

    It sure must be unnerving to learn that “We are the ones we’ve been waiting for” is an idealogue facile with gutter politics and soaring empty rhetoric fueling an enormous yen for power.

    “Ronald Reagan had a vision of America. Barack Obama has a vision of Barack Obama.” Thomas Sowell

    Any world leader who so self-consciously desires to be transformative and who is so willing to have his treasury print paper and commit generational theft to “fund” the transformation is, to me harrowing, yes.

  5. Mike In WNY April 4, 2009 at 2:09 pm #

    Bush’s wrongs do not justify Obama’s wrongs. The Czech Prime Minister said it best calling Obama’s spending policies the “road to hell.”

  6. Buffalopundit April 4, 2009 at 3:21 pm #

    @Mike in WNY: Former Czech PM.

    @Facts Plz: That’s the best you can muster? A poorly constructed string of sentences about Obama’s “yen for power” and “gutter politics”? Followed then by a pithy quote because you couldn’t develop one yourself? Yes, after 8 years of Bush it was time for someone transformative. A majority of Americans agreed and elected him, and a pretty big majority of Americans supports the job he’s doing.

    Did you want to remind me again that Obama defeated McCain?

  7. Facts Plz April 4, 2009 at 3:33 pm #


  8. mike April 4, 2009 at 4:02 pm #

    Hey shrills, you had your eight years of bush, now are you going to cry for the next eight years? Also for you locals, now that the dem’s have control of the both houses get ready to be gerrymandered in 2010. See ya king George!

  9. Byron April 4, 2009 at 4:38 pm #

    Obama is “sonorious” and “an “ideologue facile”? Gotcha. Wait, no I don’t.

  10. Chris from OP April 5, 2009 at 2:30 pm #

    Because I’m too lazy to look it up: The budget now included the Iraq/Afghanistan War spending but does NOT include the “stimulus” spending?

  11. Jeff April 5, 2009 at 3:25 pm #

    Why does every defense of Obama come back to, “well Bush did it!” Are you seriously defending your guys actions by comparing them Bush?

    & those of us complaining largely hated Bush’s spending too. Take something like DOMA. Clinton made it law & Bush continually upheld. So if every time you complained about Bush’s policies on gay marriage I said “But Bill Clinton did it” that wouldn’t change your core conviction that you are against something or that you may have liked SOME of the things Clinton did but there are areas of disagreement. Just because Clinton is in the same Party must you be responsible for every single decision he made & must I assume you agreed with them?

    You cannot just relate everything to Bush and say that because he did X it justifies what Obama is doing at some point you have to actually defend Obama’s actions in their validity. Also the money mounts up when you include the stimulus & the interest we will pay on its debt.

  12. mike hudson April 5, 2009 at 3:50 pm #

    every time the right wingers complain about something obama has done, pundit will predictably cite something as bad or worse that bush did. this will continue on for the next four or eight years. if left wingers complain about something obama has done, pundit or one of the other tools here will call them “crypto right-wingers” or somesuch and then, again, find something in bush’s abysmal record that is as bad or worse.

    the repugs coudn’t use it as much while bush was in office because clinton — one of the greatest presidents of my lifetime — preceded him. that’s back when pundit was busy voting for bush’s father, of course.

  13. Mike In WNY April 5, 2009 at 4:34 pm #

    @BuffaloPundit, at the time the former PM made the comments he had tendered his resignation but was still in office.

  14. mike hudson April 6, 2009 at 1:29 am #

    a witty rejoinder!

  15. hank April 6, 2009 at 9:02 am #

    While many Conservatives comment here, GWB was NOT a conservative.

    Conservatives did NOT agree with the runaway spending by the Republican Congress. And certainly did not agree with GWB losing his veto pen for 5 years.

    GWB’s “Compassionate Conservatism” SOUNDED good, but in reality was a cover for more Big Government. Modern republicans may have liked it, but Conservatives knew it would put the left back in power, which it did.

    Obama’s campaign was supposed to be about CHANGE—Which I supposed was change from the way GWB had done things. So I guess his entire campaign was a lie, beacuse he’s doing just as GWB did, whether you find that good, bad or repugnant.

    Lots of people complained about the wars GWB was fighting—not as much for what the reasons were for Iraq or Afghanistan, but because of the lives being lost–typical for liberals, I’m not saying it’s right or wrong. Apparently it’s OK for American troops to die in Afghanistan now, because Obama says so.

    Obama opined many times about how wars are wrong, and how they hurt our image overseas. But Afghanistan is OK. This means every drop of blood spilled there is on the hands of Obama and the people who voted for him. Glad you can sleep with that.

    Much made of Monica Lewinsky too—I guess if one of Alan’s daughters grows up to be a white house intern and gets physically involved with a married President 35 odd years her senior—He’ll be beaming with pride! No cheap shot Alan, but if you look at what happened to that woman through the eyes of her parents, I doubt you’d be so dismissive. And I heard that first from Don Imus—no friend of President Bush.

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