So Many McCarthys, So Much Communism

8 Sep

The knee-jerk Obama-hating right-wing, having now had an opportunity to read Obama’s speech to school kids have by necessity had to revert to two arguments:

1. It’s not about the speech.  It’s about indoctrination.

2. In the speech, Obama talks about himself a lot.

Obama’s not asking the kids to join him in prayer or anything, so I take with a grain of salt the size of Jupiter any concern-trolling by the right on the issue of indoctrination.

As for the speech, we have an African-American President with a funny name who overcame loads of adversity and even prejudice to get where he is today.  He can’t stand there and say, “I was a legacy at Harvard, something you’ll never be, so I could be a mediocre student yet aspire to greatness”.  He can’t say, “I was born into great wealth and privilege, so I can’t really relate to your average, petit problems”.

What’s happening here is that the silly right is engaging in what is, it believes, the same thing the left did with Bush.  Of course, they hated the knee-jerk Bush hating left and everything it did when Bush was actually President, but now that we have President Commie B. Muslim, turnabout is fair play.

Hunter at Daily Kos writes:

It is now official; those looking for the latest GOP conspiracy theory, the latest mighty mental meltdown of the base, eagerly barked out by even the supposed leaders and purported respectable figures of the party, stroked and teased by conservative wings of the press that seem to have no pressing substance to deal with, anymore, compared to these small trinkets of insanity — those looking for that latest race-tinged, conspiracy-riddled drama need look no farther.

The contemporary Republican Party.  Opposed to goal-setting, hard work, and overcoming adversity.  Cheers.

23 Responses to “So Many McCarthys, So Much Communism”

  1. slothrop September 8, 2009 at 7:45 am #

    How about this gem from a Dallas parent: “The president’s speeches tend to be [about] what’s wrong with the country and what can we do to fix it,” said Bill Hogsett, a parent from Dallas, Texas. “I believe this is the greatest country on Earth, and I try to teach that to my children. … I don’t want them hearing that there’s a fundamental flaw with the country and the kids need to go forward to fix it.”

    This leaves me speechless.

  2. Russell September 8, 2009 at 8:22 am #

    I do agree that the reaction to this speech is idiotic. He is the President of the United States and deserves a certain level of respect for that. Addressing school children around the beginning of school sounds quite harmless and actually an admirable thing for the President to do. And for the record, not all Republicans are against this. I have even hear Newt Gingrich on a number of shows saying he thinks this reaction is foolish.

  3. The Humanist September 8, 2009 at 9:26 am #

    Pundit, you forgot the idiotic boasts of the “Stop Obama Indoctrination Of Our Children” movement that the original speech was chock-a-block with Marxist propaganda and that the hysteria raised about it forced the White House to tone down the socialism.

    I truly believe these people live in an alternate universe.

  4. Howard Goldman September 8, 2009 at 10:28 am #

    If we had taken socialist indoctrination more seriously over the decades, wouldn’t 95% of my personal friends not be socialists instead of 95% being socialists? Our dominant culture is socialist and it didn’t use to be that way. So regardless of each of our own personal ideologies, (I personally choose not to embrace socialism and communism) I think we probably all agree that we, here as a group, are a mathematical demonstration that socialism, as an ideology, and as a practice, has indeed flourished.

    • Alan Bedenko September 8, 2009 at 10:32 am #

      I think we probably all agree that we, here as a group, are a mathematical demonstration that socialism, as an ideology, and as a practice, has indeed flourished.

      Says the guy who owns private real property, private personal property, runs a private business of his own, and types on an internet connection provided by a private corporation on a computer made by a private corporation from parts supplied by private corporations.

  5. Mike In WNY September 8, 2009 at 10:49 am #

    The same knee-jerk reaction, appropriate then and now, occurred when Bush I gave a speech to school children. I guess that is just another similarity between Democrats and Republicans.

  6. mike hudson September 8, 2009 at 10:50 am #

    more distraction for the idiot masses on both sides of the political spectrum. with the health care debate raging, the war in afghanistan escalating, the iraq war still claiming american lives, the economy in worse shape than anyone thought etc., let’s take a time out for a “serious” discussion on the merits of the president talking to school children. absurd.

  7. Howard Goldman September 8, 2009 at 11:03 am #

    Alan, I walk the walk. lol I not only preach private enterprise, I live it. Kind of like the Hair Club president. As such, I am the exception that proves the rule. Literally 95% of my friends preach socialism. 50 years ago, socialism was not the dominant culture. Now it is, so socialist indoctrination has obviously been successful. I don’t like having to admit that, but credit goes where it is earned. Please don’t think that I am picking on you. I’m not. I pick on liberalism but not liberals. If I did, I would lose all of my friends. They’re all libs for Christ’s sake. See on this Progressive blog, I can use expressions like “for Christ’s sake”, because Progressives love it when someone subtly diminishes Western organized religion. I might occasionally use such a term in private conversation but I have never written it. I hope I’m not being inculcated.

    • Alan Bedenko September 8, 2009 at 11:07 am #

      Howard, the intelligentsia in most urbs have socialist tendencies. That you would find them mingling with you in the City of Buffalo is neither novel nor noteworthy.

  8. Russell September 8, 2009 at 11:05 am #

    BP, socialism allows for many types of private ownership.

  9. KPS September 8, 2009 at 11:24 am #

    This is a manufactured controversy. One wacky road we have taken in this country is that EVERY voice and opinion is valid. If you look at the reports of parents calling into school districts and complaining about their child being exposed to our president your find that 6 parents out of 10,000 are complaining. That should not even be news.

  10. The Humanist September 8, 2009 at 11:33 am #

    When did liberalism turn into socialism? I must have missed the club memo.

  11. mike hudson September 8, 2009 at 12:16 pm #

    as long as obama is being kept busy mediating the henry louis gates/cambridge cops dispute, denouncing raucous protesters at town hall meetings, backing down in the face of criticism of a low-level appointment like van jones and dealing with a “controversy” over a stupid school speech, glenn beck and his cretinous mob are winning. that’s because winning is defined by who’s controlling the agenda, and the administration has done a piss poor job of that this entire summer.

  12. Russell September 8, 2009 at 12:59 pm #

    Liberalism is mainly a government philosophy, but when pertaining to the economy, it refers to a free market and free trade with no, or very limited, government intervention, also known as laissez-faire. It would refer to (near) total private ownership. Capitalism is very similar, although there is no purely capitalist economic system, it refers to an economic system with nearly complete private ownership, or at least mostly private. Communism is the complete opposite. This is generally understood to be both a political idea and an economic philosophy because the two are closely entwined in this system. In this economic system there is no private ownership, not even of land. Between capitalism and communism is the economic system known as socialism. It’s mainly concerned with public ownership of the means of production, so private ownership in other areas, like land, is the norm. Karl Marx, for example, spoke of lower and upper socialism to distinguish between degrees of public/private ownership in a socialist system. There is no such thing as a purely socialist system because it blends both private and public ownership.

    For those of you that have a hard time distinguishing between liberalism/capitalism and socialism, there is a good overview. If you have a different definition of socialism, please explain.

  13. STEEL September 8, 2009 at 3:11 pm #

    The right wing is full of hippocrates and phonies. If this was a G W Bush speech they would have wet themselves in glee over it.

  14. Jenny September 8, 2009 at 3:59 pm #

    The indoctrination, ah em, um…. the education, of our citizenry clearly has failed. Telling kids to work hard, take responsibility, and pursue the American Dream?? Horrible. Horrible. How dare he!

  15. mike hudson September 8, 2009 at 5:51 pm #

    @steel…don’t go dissin the father of medicine, dude.

  16. STEEL September 8, 2009 at 6:40 pm #

    Regan to students in “88 LOL, This is so full of political crap the right wing must have been in quite a tizzy. I mean they are against politicizing the classroom right? Check it out. What a bunch of morons ( or is that Morans?)

    LOL LOL LOL morons!

  17. mike hudson September 8, 2009 at 8:18 pm #


  18. The Humanist September 8, 2009 at 9:19 pm #

    Steel – that ain’t the half of right. The supporters of this faux anti-indoctrination effort to protect our children are simultaneously promoting actual indoctrination in the nation’s textbooks. Out with Stephen Austin, Abe Lincoln, Cesar Chavez….in with Newt Gingrich, Phyllis Schafly and Rush Limbaugh!

  19. Jon Splett September 8, 2009 at 11:23 pm #

    Any parent worried a 5 minute speech is going to brainwash their kids needs to pay more attention to what the average commercial break on Nickelodeon is doing to them.

  20. Chris from OP September 8, 2009 at 11:42 pm #

    @ Jon Splett: BINGO!

  21. Mike Walsh September 9, 2009 at 12:26 am #

    “sit back and enjoy your childhood; your time to become a slave, when you leave school and start having to pay that $200,000 by having it taken from you in the form of taxes will be here soon enough.

    Wall Street and the politicians, both Democrats and Republicans, thank you for quietly accepting your role as a slave to pay for their yachts, along with the lies, cheating and stealing that have been going on literally every day for more than ten years.

    Now sit down at your desk, shut up and behave while your teachers show you only what the government wants you to know”

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