Collins' Obamaphobes React

29 Sep

One of the favorites among Obamaphobes is to send around chain emails that detail the fact that Obama is, e.g., an Aramaic translation of “666” thus proving that he was born the anti-Christ to a Kenyan heretic and has taken on Hitlerstalin’s cause of fascismsocialismnaziism to destroy America.  Yesterday, I was sent this idiocy (debunked by Snopes) by a person who commented on this site, claiming to have created Tea New York, and came from a teanewyork.com domain.   It was cc’d to Chris Smith and Allen Coniglio.  I replied:

First of all, that’s not written by the person you say wrote it: http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proportions.asp

Secondly, if you think that forwarding this to me would suddenly make me realize that Obama really is black Hitler, you’re woefully misguided.

I will, however send this along to your endorsed candidates for county legislature and ask them again why they’re associating themselves with such false and ignorant hatred.

Alan

I honestly don’t know why they do, and I honestly don’t know what on God’s green Earth Obamaphobia has to do with reforming New York or downsizing the Erie County Legislature or anything else about our governmental or economic crises here in New York State.

The Republican Party has sunk pretty low if they have to pepper “less government” and “lower taxes” (something they seldom achieve when in power, incidentally) with “Obama is worse than al Qaeda” or whatever else they dream up.

Well, Coniglio himself replied to me, since he was copied in on the silly chain email I received, and I hit “reply to all”.  I will let it speak for itself.

Who is this guy talking to? I didn’t send him anything. I also am very familiar with the piece he is raving about and I realize the man listed as the author most likely did not write it as he has denied it. That is very old news. Additionally, I never said obama is the black anything, let alone Hitler. obama is just another tyrant wannabe, a creepy little fascist/socialist (just like Hitler, not so coincidentally) who will fall eventually to his own treacherous and diabolical ways. History will be very certain about that. What is this race stuff? Why is it necessary to bring it up?  I do not dwell on a person’s race although it is very apparent that those on the left seem quite obsessed with the subject. In fact, in all the time I have been working to change things in this county and beyond, I have never heard anyone I have been associated with say anything about race except in passing or in response to the drivel that seems to come daily from the left. What is going on with that? Why are they so obsessed with a person’s race? That seems more than a bit strange to me. As a tea party person, the only thing I have ever said and/or written about race is that black people are held in servitude to the left, falling, unfortunately, for the slick packaging and incessant lies and propaganda the left is noted for, and that we need to find a way to bring more black people into our movement and to liberate them from the new slaveholders. The most difficult thing for me to tolerate is a liar and a hypocrite. It seems that is all we are able to mine from those who mindlessly oppose us. Think. On what grounds do you oppose us? Our goal and stated mission is to preserve the constitution of the United States and to insure liberty and justice for all. Strangely enough, that used to be a good thing until the fear driven assault from the left began in force in the 1960’s. Who are these people and why do they insist on making no sense?

BTW, why do you find it necessary to threaten me? What is it supposed to mean that you are going to send things to other people that I purportedly said or disseminated? Am I supposed to be afraid of you? I never say ANYTHING that I cannot stand behind or back up and if I say something, I will admit it. Just what kind of foul thinking snitch are you? Maybe you can send this on to obama’s snitch website so he will know whom to put on his enemies list. When you do, ask him to produce a birth certificate. If he and the other evildoers of this world did not own the courts and the media from top to bottom, and if they did not wield incredible political power backed by the treasury of the United States of America, he would never have made it to the White House in the first place. Pelosi knew about his illegitimacy and she worked to cover it up. She too will have to face the consequences for what she has done as will all those who have allowed this to go as far as it has. It appears, however, that America will soon have her day in court. Here is part of what I posted to ReformNYS regarding a lawsuit which may well force the issue of obama’s legitimacy.

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In a lawsuit filed in United States District Court, Western district of Texas, a US army reserve doctor, Captain Connie Rhodes, MD, is refusing to be deployed to Iraq as she has questioned obama’s legitimacy as president and has named obama and defense secretary Robert Gates as defendants. obama is named in the suit as the “de facto” president of the United States. http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/08/29/rhodes-v-gates-application-for-tro/ This is at least the second officer to refuse to be assigned overseas under obama. The suit is dated August 25, 2009. Astoundingly, I have heard nothing of this from the mainstream media. More astoundingly, obama is charged in the suit with using 149 different addresses in his life AND 39 different social security numbers!!! Is it any wonder that this guy does not want to release any of his records to the public? If these allegations are true, this constitutes fraud on a massive scale and very likely proof that the rumors of his foreign birth are true. According to the lawsuit, his (maternal) grandmother had access to the social security number of a deceased woman which obama is alleged to have used!! This is unbelievable and yet, there is dead silence from the mainstream media regarding any of this. Here is part of the lawsuit:

(Section) (8) The evidence contained in Exhibit B shows that Barack Hussein Obama might have used as many as 149 addresses and 39 social security numbers prior to assuming the office of President. The social security number most commonly used by Barack Hussein Obama, is one issued in the state of Connecticut, the state where Barack Hussein Obama never resided and it shows him to be 119 years old. This coupled with the fact that Mr. Obama’s grandmother, Madeline Dunham was a volunteer at the Oahu Circuit Court Probate Department and had access to the social security numbers of the deceased, constitutes circumstantial evidence casting serious doubt on the legitimacy of Mr. Obama and his claims of being born on US territory. Exhibit C, the expert affidavit of renowned forensic document examiner Sandra Ramsey Lines, states that the certification of live birth posted by Mr. Obama as verification of his legitimacy, cannot be verified as genuine, and should be presumed fraudulent.

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Please note that what is presented above is part of a federal lawsuit, filed with a federal court, and none of it is meant to be taken lightly as there are severe penalties for any person, lawyer or otherwise, to file fraudulent claims before a federal court. Whether this suit has any merit or not, the mere fact of filing such a lawsuit against a sitting president is an enormous story. Do any of you know anyone who has heard anything of this at all from the mainstream media? Is it not strange that none of them have even bothered to report on it? Does it not bother you as Americans that your country is being run by avowed socialists and communists who clearly do not understand the meaning of the US constitution nor do they care to propagate it in its present form and no one in the mainstream media considers this important enough to report on? Does it not concern you that there are numerous people out there who claim to be Americans who can do no more in response to the raising of some very pertinent and disturbing questions than call the questioners “crazy” and “whacko”?. Is it not cause for concern that millions of very concerned Americans have given up time from their busy lives and have spent their own money to maintain their constitutional liberties and all that those who oppose their efforts can find to do is to call them “racist”, tools of the big insurance companies, and crazy? It is a mark of how we have devolved as a nation when that kind of behavior becomes the accepted norm and the linchpin of the “debate” from the left. Think about that. Have you ever seen any of these people respond to a question or an issue without working assiduously to kill the questioner or totally destroy him socially, politically, or in whatever way they can manage? I don’t know about you but I do not think such a mindset is healthy. It is, however, very sadly, the way of the left.

I do not know the person who forwarded the below message to me nor have I ever had any kind of contact with him in any way. It seems, however, that he has found it necessary to make numerous disparaging remarks about me and has spared no effort to convince those who are within his reach that I am some sort of insane, radical threat to a free society. Such a situation is, in and of itself, insane, and pretty much laughable as I am left to contemplate why so much effort and energy would be directed toward someone just because of the way they think. I have always believed that one can disagree with others without calling names and that the heart and soul of honest debate is just that – honesty. If one cannot honestly answer the questions that have been raised or speak directly to the issues without resorting to calumny, then that person is dishonest and should not be wasting anyone’s time pretending to be anything other than that. I have asked numerous questions and have raised numerous points and all I have gotten for my efforts is hatred and threats from certain quarters. I don’t believe that says anything about me but it speaks loudly and clearly about anyone who would behave so inappropriately. In fact, I am forced to wonder why anyone would even take such a person seriously. I do, however, know the answer though I do not believe any useful purpose would be served by including it here.

In short, I wonder why the left has fallen so low. I wonder why there are those who are so afraid of those who do not march in lockstep with their shamefully irrational and inarticulate lack of vision and intellectual clarity. Is it better to emote than to reason? I do not see how anyone on the left can answer negatively to that question as emotion forms the basis for their entire “philosophy” if I may use such a word when describing such an obviously aberrant, emotionalized, and illogical misuse of the mental process. I am not at all sure there is a mental process involved in the production of bile and hatred, but if there is, it is subliminal at best. Usually, I avoid association with people so infatuated with themselves that they believe that a mean spirited and primitive hatred is all that is necessary to deal with what they perceive to be their “enemies” but I know that no matter what I do, this whole thing will not go away. It is irrational and mindless at its core. As stated, I do not know this person or any of his minions who so bravely consort to attack and pile on insults and depredations in my regard, but in order to possibly put an end to this and to, perhaps, answer some of the questions I have raised concerning the legitimacy of their god and his right to rule – not govern – this nation, I would gladly debate any or all of you in a place and time agreed upon by all involved. If you can do more than call names, let me know. If not, then just stay where you belong, far away from me. I do not know you nor do I need to. Nor do I understand the need for such mean spirited and petty chatter from people who, presumably, should be old enough to know better.

Try some kindness. Grow up a little. Get over yourselves. You, who claim to be lovers of peace and equality for all, why are you so full of anger, hatred, and war? Who are you people?

Allen Coniglio
Just asking some questions

We are Americans, and Barack Obama is our duly elected President. We may agree with him at times and disagree at others, but we recognize his legitimacy to serve, and that his desire is to see America become even better. Your pronouncements about Obama being Hitler and Stalin and socialism are deliberately ignorant. There’s no sense in trying to explain why or how. It just is, and even a casual knowledge of late 19th / early 20th century European political history would help underscore how wrong and silly the comparisons are.

While I disagreed vehemently with previous administrations at times, I never questioned their legitimacy or motivation – just the policies and tactics. I disagreed, but did not dehumanize. You may cry that I’m a racist, but I’m not sitting here like some lord of the manor explaining to people that they’re held in servitude by “pimps and slaveholders” – language that is deliberate and specific.

When you write or say such regrettable things, that’s your business. When you endorse candidates for public office, you’ve injected yourself into the debate and it becomes the people’s business.

69 Responses to “Collins' Obamaphobes React”

  1. Mike In WNY September 29, 2009 at 7:12 am #

    “The people’s business” – get over yourself. This is beyond laughable now. Your attempt to prove a point by saying the same crap over and over again is showing signs of obsession. Your attempt to smear fine candidates is contemptible. This election is about local people and local issues period.

    • Alan Bedenko September 29, 2009 at 7:40 am #

      Smear? How am I “smearing” anyone? These are his own words. I may detest them, but I’m sure lots of
      people, including those in your “movement” agree with them. by using the word “smear”, you imply that Coniglio’s views are embarrassing. On this we agree. Let’s not play make-believe about it, k? It insults everyone’s intelligence.

  2. Byron September 29, 2009 at 7:55 am #

    Pretty crazy stuff, although if you take out the full-bore birther nonsense it’s basically standard Freener fare.

    By the way, here is a picture of Coniglio addressing the local teabaggers on July 4th, from Rebmann’s Flickr set. I wonder what he spoke about? Did he mention that Obama is 149 years old?

  3. Mike In WNY September 29, 2009 at 9:22 am #

    Smear
    v. tr.
    To stain or attempt to destroy the reputation of; vilify: political enemies who smeared his name.

    Again, this is a local election about local issues. Within that context you are trying to smear the candidates.

    • Alan Bedenko September 29, 2009 at 9:27 am #

      They’ve done harm to their own reputations. You are merely shooting the messenger. When someone tells you you have cancer, you don’t punch out the doctor.

  4. Byron September 29, 2009 at 10:03 am #

    I for one wouldn’t assume that Rebmann finds Coniglio’s views embarrassing; the Freeners (do we call them Freekers now?) frequently say they’re being “smeared” (or the like), and it’s never clear what they mean by it.

    But if the post title refers to the four candidates, as opposed to the local teabaggers, I think it’s unfair. Is there any evidence that the four candidates are “Obamaphobes”, much less that they agree with Coniglio’s views or those in the Jul Thompson email?

    • Alan Bedenko September 29, 2009 at 10:26 am #

      But if the post title refers to the four candidates, as opposed to the local teabaggers, I think it’s unfair. Is there any evidence that the four candidates are “Obamaphobes”, much less that they agree with Coniglio’s views or those in the Jul Thompson email?

      The meaning of the title is up to the reader’s interpretation. My intent was to connect the fact that the teabaggers are endorsing the Collins slate of county legislator candidates, and they are made up (at least in part) of Obamaphobes. The teabaggers, IOW, are Collins’ Obamaphobes. They are doing his bidding – I’m not saying they’re in cahoots or otherwise coming together to make these endorsements, but merely pointing out the effect – whether intentional or not.

      As far as I can tell, these endorsements came about before a single candidate was interviewed by the teabagger group – they appeared on Saturday (except for Dixon, who sent her regrets) at a teabagger function to accept the endorsement and mingle with people who think that black people are slaves who are kept down by “pimps” and latter-day “slavemasters”. They broke bread with some people who believe that Obama is “just another tyrant wannabe, a creepy little fascist/socialist (just like Hitler, not so coincidentally) who will fall eventually to his own treacherous and diabolical ways.”

      The teabaggers are perfectly free to believe all of those things and more. Collins and his slate of hand-picked candidates are welcome knowingly to accept the endorsement of such deep thinkers who hold such beliefs.

      Just as I am free to call them out on it and register my disgust and disappointment.

  5. Mike Walsh September 29, 2009 at 10:10 am #

    “it’s basically standard Freener fare.”

    Allen is not a libertarian and neither are most of the people in the coalition. There have been disagreements between the various groups on many issues. This is strictly a coalition that came together on a few common issues. That’s all it is.

  6. STEEL September 29, 2009 at 10:51 am #

    It would be a good SNL script

  7. Mike In WNY September 29, 2009 at 11:00 am #

    Since your interpretation of some “beliefs” is superficial and wrong, the relevancy of those “beliefs” is diminished even more and still fail to rise to the level of material issues in a local election. In your one-sided, superficial pontification you fail to distinguish between advocacy and predictive analysis based on historical evidence.

    • Alan Bedenko September 29, 2009 at 11:09 am #

      Since your interpretation of some “beliefs” is superficial and wrong, the relevancy of those “beliefs” is diminished even more and still fail to rise to the level of material issues in a local election.

      One chooses with whom one associates. If one chooses to associate with conspiracy theorist Obamaphobes, that’s their business. I’m just pointing it out. I think you might be protesting too much.

      In your one-sided, superficial pontification you fail to distinguish between advocacy and predictive analysis based on historical evidence.

      You fail to distinguish between normal, regular mainstream political opinion and nuttery that’s completely devoid of fact or reason.

  8. Byron September 29, 2009 at 11:08 am #

    “Standard Freener fare” referred to all the familiar tropes in Coniglio’s rant – that liberals are mindless, walking in lockstep, controlled by emotion, unable to do anything but name-call (but calling Alan a “foul thinking snitch” is OK I guess), blah blah – all of which can be found in about a thousand Freener posts at this site. (In fact, Freener posts here rarely say anything else.) I got that he’s not a libertoid from the “cleansing of humanity” rant.

    But he opposes taxes and welfare, so that makes him good enough to address the teabaggers I guess.

  9. Mike Walsh September 29, 2009 at 11:59 am #

    “nuttery that’s completely devoid of fact or reason”

    Let me just point out that there were plenty of. 911 truthers, New World Order/Bilderberg/Bush Cartel conspiracy supporters lined up behind Obama last year.

    • Alan Bedenko September 29, 2009 at 12:02 pm #

      Let me just point out that there were plenty of. 911 truthers, New World Order/Bilderberg/Bush Cartel conspiracy supporters lined up behind Obama last year.

      The NWO crowd seems more gung-ho against Obama than anyone. 911 truthers are fucking assholes and I don’t recall Obama himself ever being confronted with the support of a group that included a 911 truther organization, and wholeheartedly accepting it.

  10. Mike In WNY September 29, 2009 at 12:01 pm #

    Mainstream political opinion = overlooking the convenient facts at odds with what the government wants you to believe.

    • Alan Bedenko September 29, 2009 at 12:09 pm #

      Mainstream political opinion = not equating the duly elected and qualified Hawaiian-born President of the United States with Stalin or Hitler, not calling a clear corporate centrist democrat as a socialist communist fascist whatever, and generally not talking down to black people, implying that they’re too stupid to realize they’re being held captive by “pimps” and “slaveholders”.

      Obama won. He’s implementing the policies he ran on (in some cases, they’re already watered-down to please the right). Yet some people still can’t handle it, so they choose to dehumanize and delegitimatize him.

      The two biggest entries in PCD’s tag cloud are “Obama” and “Barack Obama”. He has surpassed even Ron Paul as the object of your obsession, and you come here and accuse me of obsessing over something when I’ve written exactly three posts in a two day period.

  11. Byron September 29, 2009 at 12:16 pm #

    “overlooking the convenient facts at odds with what the government wants you to believe”.

    I think you meant “inconvenient facts”. Regardless, do you substantially agree with Coniglio’s email to Alan, yes or no?

  12. Mike Walsh September 29, 2009 at 12:21 pm #

    “a clear corporate centrist democrat ”

    Bingo….and that’s the real problem with Obama: his apparent willingness to stay in the good graces of the plutocracy while handing out a few scraps to appease his supporters…..

    • Alan Bedenko September 29, 2009 at 12:24 pm #

      Being a corporate centrist democrat, however, is nowhere near the same thing as being:

      a Stalinist
      a communist
      a socialist
      a Hitler
      a nazi
      a fascist

      etc, ad infinitum.

  13. Hank September 29, 2009 at 12:49 pm #

    And the belly laughs never stop. It’s Alan’s blog—if he wants to pontificate on whatever, I would say that’s his right.
    I retain the right to laugh my balls off at the whole thing.

    It doesn’t matter who gets on the legislature—just more deck chair arrangement. The only change WNY will see is things getting worse. BTW, George W Bush was also a duly elected President, but there’s tens of thousands of lefties who swear he’s not to this day. Down South you run into a lot of people preaching out of a Bible on the street corners, even in downtown business districts like the Charlotte Banking areas. It’s their right to say what they want on the street, so you just walk by them and pay them no mind. I think Alan’s blood pressure would go down if he just let birthers and such like rant to their heart’s content, and be an adult and just ignore it. “Calling them out, registering disgust,”—-etc doesn’t change anything.

  14. Byron September 29, 2009 at 1:26 pm #

    Yes I well remember when obviously mentally disturbed lefties were invited onto CNN and MSNBC multiple times to explain why Bush was an illegitimate president.

  15. Mike In WNY September 29, 2009 at 1:56 pm #

    Regardless, do you substantially agree with Coniglio’s email to Alan, yes or no?

    I haven’t studied Allen’s views substantially, therefore I can not say whether or not I agree with his positions on national issues. I can also say that the regular left-leaning participants on this blog are predisposed to ignore factual comparisons that don’t support their views. What I do know, is that I substantially agree with his views on the local politicians which is why I am part of a loosely organized, diverse group endorsing the aforementioned people campaigning for local offices.

    • Alan Bedenko September 29, 2009 at 2:52 pm #

      @Byron, your question was too broad.

      Mike in WNY – do you agree with Coniglio that black people are merely latter-day slaves held hostage somehow by “pimps” and “slaveholders”, aka the Democratic Party?

      Mike in WNY – do you share Coniglio’s belief that Barack Obama is not constitutionally qualified to be President because of some circumstance surrounding his birth?

      Mike in WNY – do you share Coniglio’s belief that Barack Obama is a nouveau Hitler, or some brand of nazi or fascist? Please explain your answer.

      Mike in WNY – do you share Coniglio’s belief that the President is a “socialist/fascist” “tyrant wannabe”?

      Mike in WNY – do you share Coniglio’s belief that the President’s aim is to abrogate or destroy the constitution and turn the United States into some form of totalitarian dictatorship?

      Mike in WNY – do you share Coniglio’s belief that “[Obama] and the other evildoers of this world … own the courts and the media from top to bottom”, and that “they … wield incredible political power backed by the treasury of the United States of America”, and that this ownership of the courts, the media, and the treasury led to Obama’s election? Who specifically in the courts, the media, and the treasury are we talking about helped Obama get elected in 2008 during the Bush Administration?

  16. Mike In WNY September 29, 2009 at 2:00 pm #

    A corporate centrist democrat who advocates bailouts and state ownership of private corporations, as well as financing health care by taking from some to support others, is essentially a socialist.

    • Alan Bedenko September 29, 2009 at 2:36 pm #

      A corporate centrist democrat who advocates bailouts and state ownership of private corporations,

      The bailouts and “state ownership” were concluded with the support and assent of the affected corporations. Through the sale of stock to the government – not expropriation.

      as well as financing health care by taking from some to support others, is essentially a socialist.

      Yes, clearly we should permit poor seniors to die penniless and without healthcare. We should have toll roads everywhere. It might be nice to live in the utopian vacuum you envision, but I wouldn’t want to live there.

  17. STEEL September 29, 2009 at 2:05 pm #

    I think it is funny that no matter how wacky the right wing rant posted on here the same people jump on here trying to defend it as not so wacky because….Uh uh uh .aa uh uh ….that’s right Bill Ayers…and …and uhh what about Acorn and… uh…what about the Black Panthers…How bout that Alan?…how come you never want to talk about the Black Panthers Huh?

  18. Dave September 29, 2009 at 2:28 pm #

    If Obama was a Hitler/Stalin communist/fascist/nazi/dictator, wouldn’t he have been able to get the health care bill passed by now?

  19. Byron September 29, 2009 at 2:39 pm #

    I figured Rebmann would dodge an easily answered question, and he didn’t disappoint me. And his next post confirms what I said above: there’s no reason to assume that he disagrees in any substantial way with Coniglio’s views, or is embarrassed by them. With the exception of the full-blown birtherism, you can read very similar stuff at PCD and other Freener sites, and Coniglio isn’t a fringe teabagger, he’s fairly typical.

  20. jack fate September 29, 2009 at 2:51 pm #

    If Obama was a Hitler/Stalin communist/fascist/nazi/dictator, wouldn’t he have been able to get the health care bill passed by now?

    Hitler/Stalin communist/fascist/nazi/dictators don’t generally need or bother to pass legislation. heh.

  21. Mike In WNY September 29, 2009 at 3:30 pm #

    The bailouts and “state ownership” were concluded with the support and assent of the affected corporations. Through the sale of stock to the government – not expropriation.

    Nice job trying to put lipstick on a pig.

    Yes, clearly we should permit poor seniors to die penniless and without healthcare. We should have toll roads everywhere. It might be nice to live in the utopian vacuum you envision, but I wouldn’t want to live there.

    You are assuming that government health care is the only or the best way to combat those problems. I happen to believe it is the worst way. I certainly believe that a system that enables real competition and choice, combined with the elimination of managed care and 3ry party payers, is the best way to provide the best health care for the maximum amount of people. The Utopian vision is that government can fix these problems without further damage.

    • Alan Bedenko September 29, 2009 at 3:35 pm #

      Nice job trying to put lipstick on a pig.

      Nice job trying to demagogue agreements reached between the federal government and the companies you cite as being some sort of evil socialist expropriation when, in fact, they were contracts.

      As for your second point, the world being populated by smart people, if the system you propose was so dandy, someone would have implemented it by now. The fact that they haven’t speaks volumes, and the closest it comes – Switzerland – requires insurers to be nonprofits.

  22. Mike Walsh September 29, 2009 at 3:44 pm #

    “Being a corporate centrist democrat, however, is nowhere near the same thing as being:

    a Stalinist
    a communist
    a socialist
    a Hitler
    a nazi
    a fascist

    etc, ad infinitum.”

    In my opinion,I don’t think those labels are a constructive way to criticize the President. Like I said earlier, the plutocracy and the people that serve or enable them is the problem. It’s not a right or left issue. The real issue is the fact that we have little left of a representative democratic republic. Plutocracies(political class, power brokers,establishment) call the shots at all levels of government. If progressives thought that Obama would be an antidote to this or try to change things, the President’s actions so far don’t seem to indicate much of a change at all other than throwing a few bones.

  23. Mike In WNY September 29, 2009 at 3:51 pm #

    Mike in WNY – do you agree with Coniglio that black people are merely latter-day slaves held hostage somehow by “pimps” and “slaveholders”, aka the Democratic Party?

    I believe that you may be misinterpreting the meaning of Allen’s statement. I believe that numerous government programs have perpetuated a permanent class of people who are more or less subservient to the government for their existence. Blacks comprise a large segment of that subservient group, however, it is not exclusive to any specific race or culture.

    Mike in WNY – do you share Coniglio’s belief that Barack Obama is not constitutionally qualified to be President because of some circumstance surrounding his birth?

    I don’t believe there is any benefit to pursuing the question.

    Mike in WNY – do you share Coniglio’s belief that Barack Obama is a nouveau Hitler, or some brand of nazi or fascist? Please explain your answer.

    Obama shares traits with Hitler. His leaning toward socialistic solutions is a large part of the reason. You already know that even though I don’t think Obama has Hitler’s genocidal tendencies, they still have a significant amount of traits in common. Also, Hitler started his rise to power around the early 1920’s and it was not based on his belief in the superiority of the Aryian race. It is during this earlier period of Hitler’s rise to power that the parallels are most numerous.

    Mike in WNY – do you share Coniglio’s belief that the President’s aim is to abrogate or destroy the constitution and turn the United States into some form of totalitarian dictatorship?

    The Constitution has been under assault for many years. Obama is just adding the icing to the cake.

    Mike in WNY – do you share Coniglio’s belief that “[Obama] and the other evildoers of this world … own the courts and the media from top to bottom”, and that “they … wield incredible political power backed by the treasury of the United States of America”, and that this ownership of the courts, the media, and the treasury led to Obama’s election? Who specifically in the courts, the media, and the treasury are we talking about helped Obama get elected in 2008 during the Bush Administration?

    Obama is the front man for a corrupted system of corporate-statism. The corruption stems from not following the narrowly defined powers for the federal government in the Constitution. The lust for greed and power is a natural result of the corrupt system.

    The state of our nation would not be significantly different had McCain won the election. Since Obama did win, he is naturally the in the eye of the storm that is ravaging our country.

    • Alan Bedenko September 29, 2009 at 4:07 pm #

      1. The very notion that anyone needs you or Coniglio to tell them how subservient they are to the government is an insult. Every person has a different circumstance that brought them to such a point, and to just lump them all in as a bunch of misguided leeches is somewhat lame.

      2. Non-responsive.

      3. Hitler’s entire reason for being was racial politics, totalitarian dictatorship, and extreme nationalism. He wrote Mein Kampf in the 20s, and all of those things were there. Your understanding of Hitler’s ideology and rise to power is weak, and in no way mirrors Obama in any way.

      4. “The constitution has been under assault” is meaningless pablum.

      5. There is a very specific reason why conspiracy theorists use the courts, the media, and the treasury when discussing conspiratorial cabals. I wonder if you can take a wild guess what that reason is?

  24. Hank September 29, 2009 at 5:13 pm #

    Oba-mao= Dictator in Training Pants

  25. Mike In WNY September 29, 2009 at 5:26 pm #

    1. I am discussing the results of the system. If that isn’t fair game for discussion than I guess you believe anything goes as long as it comes from the government.

    2. My answer wasn’t non-responsive. The question was irrelevant. It is a waste of time to pursue that question, just as it is a waste of time trying to prove the Income Tax is illegal through the court system.

    3.

    Hitler rose to a place of prominence in the early years of the party (1919 – 1923) largely as a result of his considerable skills in oratory, organization and promotion.

    Those are the skills they have in common, as well as a propensity for using those skills to advocate harmful policies.

    4. Only if you deny the meaning of the Constitution.

    5. I am not a conspiracy theorist, I am a Constitutionalist. Whatever the reason is, it is only relevant, if true, as far as it is a result of the improper role of government.

    • Alan Bedenko October 1, 2009 at 9:08 am #

      @MikeinWNY:

      Hitler rose to a place of prominence in the early years of the party (1919 – 1923) largely as a result of his considerable skills in oratory, organization and promotion….Those are the skills they have in common, as well as a propensity for using those skills to advocate harmful policies.

      You’re equating Hitler – the most murderous and brutal territorial expansionist, racist, genocidal, nationalistic, racial supremacist in the recent history of the world – with Barack Obama, a guy who speaks well, has a good marketing team behind him, and wants to expand health care and other programs for the good of the country.

      That is probably among the most ignorant pieces of shit-drivel I’ve ever had the misfortune to read on this site. As if no other example existed of good political organization or oratory. As if no other example existed of good propaganda or the promotion of social democratic programs. Hell, even if you wanted to equate him with contemporary Germany, the Democratic platform is to the fucking right of Germany’s version of the Republicans, the CDU.

      Your willful and shameless ignorance of history and massive leap into a retarded Godwinism is, naturally, par for the course over there at PCD with the other people who quite evidently agree with all of the Glenn Beckian conspiratorial Hitler-comparison nonsense that your buddy Mr. Coniglio espouses.

      Here’s what Hitler did:

      When they opened the doors in Auschwitz… we didn’t know, we didn’t know anything…. wire, with chimneys smoking, with Germans, and it was only morning. And then these men We only knew we could see it looked like hell, like nothing we had ever seen. With [prisoners] with striped clothes who kept saying – give the babies to the older women. And unfortunately, my mother was only 46, 44, and my mother took a child from a Dutch woman – a young woman who had given birth in prison. She was 22 I think, a beautiful woman…. I had already my mother with a baby, my brother Maecel and me were walking together. And they thought the baby was mine… and I was already going with my mother towards the crematorium right away, when suddenly he [Mengele] shouted I should come back. So my mother also came back. And he said – “You go this way, [and I said] to the left,” you know. So I said no, I don’t want to leave my mother, I want to stay with my mother. And he said: “No, no, no, no, no, you go with the young people and your mother will go with the children. You’re going to a work place, and they’re going to work where its not so hard.” My little brother, my mother and the baby went towards the crematorium, which we didn’t know was the crematorium, we just knew they’re going in a different direction. When I started to cry and wouldn’t go, he took me by the arm and gave me a push – “Go this way!” I didn’t know what was happening, I could only see my father on the right and one brother… and everything went so quick that I didn’t know if I was in a madhouse or if I was seeing reality.

      You’re equating Mengele with a public option for health care. Or a bailout of GM. Seriously, the Hitler thing is so fundamentally outrageous and out-of-bounds, that the only rational and reasoned response to it is to tell the person using that comparison with Obama to go fuck himself.

      Read a fucking book or two about Nazi Germany – or hell, ANY book about German history – and then get back to me with your Hitler comparisons.

  26. The Humanist September 29, 2009 at 5:53 pm #

    Only in America would above-average skills in public speaking, leadership and organization get you compared to Hitler. We are through the fucking looking glass.

  27. STEEL September 29, 2009 at 6:05 pm #

    The funny thing is that Bush -hero of the right wing-came closer to commanding dictatorial powers than any president in history and the right wing Freeners handed those powers over to him like lap dogs.

  28. Mike In WNY September 29, 2009 at 6:48 pm #

    The funny thing is that Bush -hero of the right wing-came closer to commanding dictatorial powers than any president in history and the right wing Freeners handed those powers over to him like lap dogs.

    STEEL, which affliction do you suffer from, ignorance or stupidity? If you want to talk about people handing Bush powers, start with Hillary Clinton and Brian Higgins. Then you would actually be correct.

    Only in America would above-average skills in public speaking, leadership and organization get you compared to Hitler.

    Humanist, you’ve selectively and conveniently ignored half of the equation, or perhaps you didn’t understand it.

  29. Byron September 29, 2009 at 6:49 pm #

    As I said: Rebmann largely agrees with Coniglio and so, I would bet, do many Freeners and local teabaggers. That’s what they’re about.

  30. Mike Walsh September 29, 2009 at 8:56 pm #

    “The funny thing is that Bush -hero of the right wing-came closer to commanding dictatorial powers than any president in history and the right wing Freeners handed those powers over to him like lap dogs.”

    When did we do that? We opposed the Iraq War, the patriot Act and many other of Bush’s policies. That tells me that Steel is completely uninformed about people he disagrees with.

  31. STEEL September 29, 2009 at 9:16 pm #

    Who do you mean by “we” I did not see any of these Freeners marching against Bush when he started spying on Americans or put people in jail with no trial or even representation. Bush used torture, a tried and true dictator’s tool. Did not see any Freeners protesting that. Never heard Limbaugh or Hannity complain about any of that stuff. Bush took over the banks , yet no cries of socialist. Bush increased government size at an unprecedented rate yet not a complaint from the teabaggers even though he created the biggest government agency in history and increased socialized medicine by massive amounts. Yet the Teabaggers were happy as clams during the Bush regime.

    I can’t think of one thing that Obama has done that is remotely despotic and yet 60,000 (or was it 2Million) freeners marched in Washington calling for civil war . I don’t get it. WHAT ARE THE FREENERS PROTESTING.

  32. Mike In WNY September 29, 2009 at 10:02 pm #

    Steel, now that you have devolved to making arguments consisting of fallacies in logic and false statements, there isn’t much point in responding to you other than saying you can check out this link before offering your mea culpa.

  33. The Humanist September 29, 2009 at 10:36 pm #

    @ Mike in WNY – you wrote:


    Hitler rose to a place of prominence in the early years of the party (1919 – 1923) largely as a result of his considerable skills in oratory, organization and promotion. Those are the skills [Hitler and Obama] have in common, as well as a propensity for using those skills to advocate harmful policies.

    Now, maybe I’m not up-to-date in Freener-speak, but what other conclusion am I to draw than you are comparing the President of the United States to Adolf Hitler? Do you believe that Barack Obama is the first politician since Hitler to be a charismatic, engaging speaker? A well-organized leader? And those “harmful policies” you accuse both of promoting. Are you equating the Holocaust with health care reform?

    Are you serious?

  34. STEEL September 29, 2009 at 10:54 pm #

    Mike in WNY. Huh?

    What is a fallacy in logic and what does that link prove or what is it supposed to show me?

  35. Mike Walsh September 29, 2009 at 11:02 pm #

    @Steel:

    “yet 60,000 (or was it 2Million) freeners marched in Washington calling for civil war”

    You’re a little confused. Those were not “freeners”. For the record, we’ve opposed everything you mentioned(and more) concerning the Bush administration. Not a single one of us “freeners” has called for a civil war. Have you ever been to our sites or are you just piling on without checking the facts?

  36. The Humanist September 29, 2009 at 11:32 pm #

    @ Mike Walsh – Steel was referring to the Great Teabag March on Washington earlier this month (also known as “The Money Shot”)

  37. Mike In WNY September 29, 2009 at 11:43 pm #

    A fallacy in logic, something I learned in High School, is a statement or an argument based on a false or invalid inference.

  38. STEEL September 30, 2009 at 12:46 am #

    What was false inference and why were there no right wing protests against Bush? Also you never answered who is the “WE” and now “US” that you are referencing. You will have to forgive me for lumping you in with the Teabaggers, Freeners, Birthers Acorners etc. because every time Pundit posts on here you are sure to jump in with a defense of the wackiness.

    So Mike. Why no right wing protests of Bush?

  39. Robert Laity September 30, 2009 at 5:23 am #

    Several months ago,USDC-WDNY Chief Justice Arcara was served officially,”Presentments” on the charges of Election fraud and Treason against Barack Obama.Additionally, US Attorney for the WDNY,Mehltretter was also served along with Mayor Brown,Antoine thompson and others. I was the person who served the presentments. I was interviewed by all (3) major network affiliates in Buffalo,NY. The Buffalo News told me they were “not interested”. Why they were not interested in the possibility of having a traitor in the oval office,I do not know. Very unamerican of them,to say the least.There is increasingly developing proof that Obama is not who he says he is,is a usurper to the Presidency and should be arrested immediately and tried for treason.

  40. Byron September 30, 2009 at 7:36 am #

    We’ll have to see in November whether these four candidates get any boost from working with eliminationist a$$holes. I hope not.

  41. Byron September 30, 2009 at 8:58 am #

    Hey “Robert Laity” – do you endorse Hardwick, Schratz, Fudoli and Dixon also? Just wondering.

  42. stevor September 30, 2009 at 11:02 am #

    So often, the media want to peg anything against Obummer as being done by the GOP. I don’t represent the GOP and the GOP doesn’t tell me what to do. This is the SAME thing for most of those that go to Tea Parties. It is a tactic for the liberals, similar to the way they call others names instead of giving facts that refute what others say.

    Obama has LIED time and time again. I want to know why he is still hiding most of his “history”. He came out of nowhere, did a little time as a conogressperson, went to Africa to campaign for his uncle (which might have been enough to boot him out of congress), and is only showing how he can read teleprompters in front of crowds.

    Luckily, the PEOPLE and not the GOP is seeing the emperor has no clothes.

  43. STEEL September 30, 2009 at 12:47 pm #

    hahaha – There is that dorky teleprompter comment again! LOL who started that anyway? Just too funny.

  44. The Humanist September 30, 2009 at 2:27 pm #

    Stevor – another proud endorsement for Hardwick, Schratz, Fudoli and Dixon.

  45. Robert Laity October 1, 2009 at 3:40 am #

    Judge Arcara declines to “do anything to assist you” claiming “No authority to act” on the Presentments against Obama. No authority to act or no desire to?

  46. Tony M October 1, 2009 at 9:19 am #

    What’s a Freener?

  47. Tony M October 1, 2009 at 9:37 am #

    Alan, are you involved in any direct citizen action concerning solutions to returning what is supposed to be the people’s government back to a Republic?

  48. The Humanist October 1, 2009 at 9:56 am #

    LOL – a true-blue Bircher lecturing us on returning to representative government.

    Hey Tony M – do you believe Dr. Martin Luther King was a Communist agent? Careful now….you don’t want to lose your John Birch Society Pledge Pin…

  49. Tony M October 1, 2009 at 10:20 am #

    My questions are for Alan Bedenko.

  50. The Humanist October 1, 2009 at 10:30 am #

    @ Tony M – well, I have a question for you, Bircher. Do you believe, like your brethren, that Dr. Martin Luther King was a Communist agent?

  51. slothrop October 1, 2009 at 10:51 am #

    @ Alan – to your last post – Afuckingmen!

  52. Alan Bedenko October 1, 2009 at 10:57 am #

    Tony – ask me what you want to ask me and omit the buzzwords. IOW, define direct citizen and what you specifically mean about some restoration of the republic. I don’t speak Becklish.

  53. Byron October 1, 2009 at 1:05 pm #

    Hardwick-Fudoli-Schratz-Dixon endorser Allen Coniglio:

    “It is my concern that something like this [the Reichstag fire – no seriously] will happen in the US. I do not doubt for one minute that obama and his thugs are capable of such an action and I am more than certain that should he find it impossible to to rig the elctions in 2010 or 2012 to allow him to continue his policies or, if he finds himself on the verge of being exposed as a noncitizen, having been born in Kenya, that would be his cue. This man is a terrorist, a thug, an unscrupulous, classless human being. [Remember, Coniglio frequently complains about “liberal name-calling”] He will do whatever he believes he can get away with. He is not bound by any ethical or moral concerns as most people would be. Like Hitler, he will do anything to impose his will on the people of this country and ultimately, the world. Prepare yourselves. Do not abandon your efforts. Be eternally vigilant, as that is the price of freedom.”

    Reform!!

  54. STEEL October 1, 2009 at 1:21 pm #

    The real funny part of this is that many of these Freener types don’t even believe in the Holocaust.

    Perhaps they arr praising Obama because they think he will build some great highways.

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