The Post to Link To When Someone Compares A Politician to Hitler

1 Oct

Longtime commenter Mike in WNY recently likened Obama to Hitler in a thread. When asked how on earth he could make that comparison, he replied:

Hitler rose to a place of prominence in the early years of the party (1919 – 1923) largely as a result of his considerable skills in oratory, organization and promotion….Those are the skills they have in common, as well as a propensity for using those skills to advocate harmful policies.

Here is my catch-all reply – now and forever – to anyone who makes the Hitler comparison and then tries to defend it. Please feel free to make a note of the URL and just insert it whenever somebody pulls this stunt.

You’re equating Hitler – the most murderous and brutal territorial expansionist, racist, genocidal, nationalistic, racial supremacist in the recent history of the world – with Barack Obama, a guy who speaks well, has a good marketing team behind him, and wants to expand health care and other programs for the good of the country.

Comparing Obama to Hitler on the basis of oratory, organization, and disagreement with Obama’s policies is probably among the most ignorant pieces of shit-drivel I’ve ever had the misfortune to read on this site. As if no other example existed of good political organization or oratory. As if no other example existed of good propaganda or the promotion of social democratic programs. Hell, even if you wanted to equate him with contemporary Germany, the Democratic platform is to the fucking right of Germany’s version of the Republicans, the CDU.

Comparing Obama to Hitler betrays a willful and shameless ignorance of history and massive leap into a retarded Godwinism. This is, regrettably, par for the course for eliminationists who are buying into the hysterics of the right wing media, or otherwise speak Becklish.


Here’s what Hitler did:

When they opened the doors in Auschwitz… we didn’t know, we didn’t know anything…. wire, with chimneys smoking, with Germans, and it was only morning. And then these men We only knew we could see it looked like hell, like nothing we had ever seen. With [prisoners] with striped clothes who kept saying – give the babies to the older women. And unfortunately, my mother was only 46, 44, and my mother took a child from a Dutch woman – a young woman who had given birth in prison. She was 22 I think, a beautiful woman…. I had already my mother with a baby, my brother Maecel and me were walking together. And they thought the baby was mine… and I was already going with my mother towards the crematorium right away, when suddenly he [Mengele] shouted I should come back. So my mother also came back. And he said – “You go this way, [and I said] to the left,” you know. So I said no, I don’t want to leave my mother, I want to stay with my mother. And he said: “No, no, no, no, no, you go with the young people and your mother will go with the children. You’re going to a work place, and they’re going to work where its not so hard.” My little brother, my mother and the baby went towards the crematorium, which we didn’t know was the crematorium, we just knew they’re going in a different direction. When I started to cry and wouldn’t go, he took me by the arm and gave me a push – “Go this way!” I didn’t know what was happening, I could only see my father on the right and one brother… and everything went so quick that I didn’t know if I was in a madhouse or if I was seeing reality.

You’re equating Mengele with a public option for health care. Or a bailout of GM. Seriously, the Hitler thing is so fundamentally outrageous and out-of-bounds, that the only rational and reasoned response to it is to tell the person using that comparison with Obama to go fuck himself.

Read a fucking book or two about Nazi Germany – or hell, ANY book about German history – and then get back to me with your Hitler comparisons.

In the meantime, I reject it out-of-hand and can only hope that you educate yourself.

As for Mike in WNY, he’s among the people listed endorsing Chris Collins’ slate of county legislative candidates. If I was Kevin Hardwick or Lynne Dixon or Dino Fudoli, I’d be running – not walking – to distance myself from this kind of ignorant pig’s garbage. But they won’t – they don’t want to piss off the local Glenn Beck bandwagon of dozens.

This kind of thing shows you the depths people will plumb to get elected. It shows you the intellectual compromises people will make to get elected. It reinforces my cynicism in all things political.

If you buy into comparing Obama (or any other contemporary mainstream Democratic or Republican politician) with Hitler, then fuck. you.

46 Responses to “The Post to Link To When Someone Compares A Politician to Hitler”

  1. Terry October 1, 2009 at 7:21 pm #

    It’s difficult to determine which are more entertaining–the absurd comparisons to Der Fuhrer or your hysterical responses to same……

    • Alan Bedenko October 1, 2009 at 8:21 pm #

      Well, Hitler was kind of a bad guy, Terry.

  2. al l October 1, 2009 at 7:53 pm #

    i hear Ike was like Hitler because he built highways.

  3. STEEL October 1, 2009 at 8:01 pm #

    Reagan had a way persuading the people to follow him just like Hitler

  4. Rogers October 1, 2009 at 8:02 pm #

    So whatcha sayin? Thet a Nazi Germany can’t happen again or thet we’ll know it’s a commin when we see a fellar with a funny mustache? Not sayin we’re a gonnin thet way but who’s ta know?

  5. Mike Walsh October 1, 2009 at 9:12 pm #

    Alan, you’re being too emotional about this. Ever since Hitler, people on both sides of the political spectrum have made references like this. I recall seeing a lot of pictures of GWB with the funny little moustache, too.

  6. mike hudson October 1, 2009 at 9:19 pm #

    aside from the fact that there are hundreds of thousands of references where bush was compared to hitler available to the casual google searcher that went without a single howl of protest on the buffalopundit blog when they occurred, which some may find a little hypocritical, yeah, anyone who compares anyone to hitler and anyone who compares the united states of america to nazi germany is a fucking moron.

    that said, a better analogy might be to compare our country and, in particular, new yok state to the declining roman empire and rome itself. instead of nero fiddling while rome burns we have obama jetting off to copenhagen to get the olympics for his political friends in chicago while health care crisis, the wars in afghanistan and iraq, the economic meltdown and our concentration camp in iraq continue to outrage the thinking people of our great country.

  7. Chris Smith October 1, 2009 at 9:45 pm #

    I’d rather compare Mike Hudson to Hitler. Was Hitler also a huge pile of Life FAIL who nearly drank himself to death and/or clung desperately to a past of moderate and localized fame?

    Also, I’m insulting Hudson just because I’m bored with insulting everyone else.

  8. Mike Walsh October 1, 2009 at 10:40 pm #

    There’s a rumor that Hudson was the Johnny Rotten of Cleveland.

  9. Rogers October 1, 2009 at 11:23 pm #

    Hot Dammit Mista Chris Smiff! You gots some real history with this Hudson fellar or what? Don’t spose it got any thang to do with yer “penchant for buggery” now do it?

  10. The Humanist October 2, 2009 at 12:00 am #

    Oh Chris….I’ve dreamed of going there, but good on you man. Hudson personifies, to me, Patton Oswalt’s description of the KFC Bowls – “a failure pail in a sadness bowl

  11. The Humanist October 2, 2009 at 12:02 am #

    @ Mike Walsh – is George W. Bush the President? No…..so what the fuck does that have to do with anything?

  12. Kevin October 2, 2009 at 12:19 am #

    Alan, I could not agree more and I have the same reaction whenever anyone compares any political figure to Hitler. I know how strongly you feel about this, but if you had written it three years ago it could have had such a larger impact.

  13. Mike In WNY October 2, 2009 at 12:30 am #

    You are completely obsessed with this Hitler thing to the point you can’t even make your point without twisting what was said. To sum up, I said:

    Obama shares traits with Hitler. His leaning toward socialistic solutions is a large part of the reason. You already know that even though I don’t think Obama has Hitler’s genocidal tendencies, they still have a significant amount of traits in common.

    You then said,

    You’re equating Hitler – the most murderous and brutal territorial expansionist, racist, genocidal, nationalistic, racial supremacist in the recent history of the world – with Barack Obama …

    Anyone reading my remarks in the link you so generously provided, can see the basis for my comparison and it does not reflect the basis for your thoughts. Of course there are difference between them, and I’ve never denied that. In fact, Obama has brown eyes and Hitler had blue eyes. Those are different traits.

    • Alan Bedenko October 2, 2009 at 9:17 am #

      @Mike in WNY:

      Anyone reading my remarks in the link you so generously provided, can see the basis for my comparison and it does not reflect the basis for your thoughts. Of course there are difference between them, and I’ve never denied that. In fact, Obama has brown eyes and Hitler had blue eyes. Those are different traits.

      Millions of dead spit at your shameful glibness.

      I don’t know why you’re defending yourself about comparing Obama to Hitler. I mean, after all, you compare Obama to Hitler quite regularly, and then when I point out that there’s no comparison, you deflect with a well-I-wasn’t-comparing-their-policies-on-genocide.

      So, to paraphrase your position: aside from the 6 million murdered Jews, the expansion of Germany west into France, east into Russia/Ukraine, south into the Balkans and North Africa, aside from the terrorist nature of Nazi and quisling rule throughout Europe and the Mediterranean, setting aside further the demonization, codified hatred and legalized murder of homosexuals, slavs, gypsies, and any other non-Aryans, and setting aside millions upon millions of displaced and broken families and homes, Obama is just like Hitler.

      Like I said, it’s fucking reprehensible and as far as comparing anyone or anything to Hitler, unless it’s a genocidal maniac like Pol Pot, an ethnic cleansing expansionist fascist like Slobodan Milosevic, etc., then you have no business really comparing anyone to Hitler. Period.

      Also, like I said, if the only examples of effective oratory and organizational skills your brain can come up with is fucking Adolf God Damn Him to Hell Hitler Motherfucker, then educate yourself. I’m sure you can come up with better examples that don’t dredge up millions of innocent dead with them.

      I see Ostrowski today has a post up praising the John Birch Society. I’m quite glad about all of this, because it just adds to the laundry list of reasons why the Collins slate of candidates should be rejecting your endorsement out-of-hand.

  14. The Humanist October 2, 2009 at 1:06 am #

    @ Mike in WNY – you’ve compared the POTUS to Hitler. Don’t be cute about. Either take the comparison full on and join your Teabag brethren in Paranoiaville or realize the asshattery of your ways and apologize for a momentary lapse of reason.

  15. Mike Walsh October 2, 2009 at 1:15 am #

    EVERY political party, here and around the rest of the world, has studied the Nazi’s political tactics and used some of them. Why? Because they worked on a highly intelligent, modern scientifically industrialized society. Nobody is suggesting that they have the same psychopathic personalities that the Nazi leaders did. PUT IT TO REST…..

  16. Mike Walsh October 2, 2009 at 1:22 am #

    @ The Humanist:

    “@ Mike Walsh – is George W. Bush the President? No…..so what the fuck does that have to do with anything?”

    It has everything to do with this post. I don’t recall any of you aghast at the Bush comparisons to Hitler.

    Another thing I don’t understand is why some of you are so insistent on carrying water for Obama when it’s obvious he gave a lot of your causes nothing more than lip service.

  17. mike hudson October 2, 2009 at 2:32 am #

    thanks chris. to know that i dominate your thoughts so is one of the few pleasures i have left in life. and you gotta admit, those nazis were snappy dressers!

  18. Mike In WNY October 2, 2009 at 4:37 am #

    @humanist, it is nice to see you goose-stepping with Pundit by trying to change the meaning of someone Else’s words to suit your argument. Unfortunately for you, that is pure stupidity due to the complete lack of foundation or logic.

    • Alan Bedenko October 2, 2009 at 6:25 am #

      To the handful of people – specifically Kevin and Hudson, I didn’t do it quite so frequently during Bush’s term because it wasn’t happening anywhere near as frequently – not from mainstream political pundits or politicians. I don’t recall the head of the DNC comparing George Bush to HItler or Kim Jong-il or Stalin, either.

      In any event, I cited violations of Godwin’s Law several times during the Bush Administration, most clearly here. Naturally, it was a Free NY post that it links to, because Ostrowski and his followers are the quickest ones to mouth-shit a comparison to Hitler, because they know that it is radically outrageous to do so.

      To those of you who like to say I’m too emotional about Hitler, well, Hitler was a pretty bad guy, and I’ve heard the stories from my family about what it was like living under Naziism and later Communism (I experienced the latter myself), so you can take your “too emotional” concern trolling and shove it so far up your ass that it comes out your fucking throat. Hope that helps.

  19. Byron October 2, 2009 at 6:52 am #

    The only thing more retarded than the comparison of Obama to Hitler is the equation of Obama=Hitleri-sm with what was said about Bush in 2000-2008. Obama has been compared to Hitler, and/or his administration to Nazi Germany, by virtually every prominent conservative commentator in the country, including the nation’s highest rated talk radio host, Malkin, Coulter, Krauthammer and of course Fox News – not to mention a sitting Republican Senator.

    Bush was called Hitler by – uh, random protesters at anti-war rallies and – uh – Ted Rall and – Fidel Castro!

    If you think these are the same or even comparable, you’re an idiot.

    As for Rebmann, it’s not surprising that he joined in the Obama=Hitler movement and even less surprising that he’s now trying to deny it – just as he refused to admit that he fantasized about denying the vote to poor people, even though he obviously did. And then lied about it. A belligerently stupid lying little weasel – a great ambassador for the Freeners.

  20. Mike In WNY October 2, 2009 at 7:45 am #

    Byron, sorry to have offended your Obama-apologist sensibilities, but your ability to discern fact from fiction has been compromised. It’s a shame we can’t deny the right to vote to stupid people with reading comprehension problems.

  21. Chris from OP October 2, 2009 at 9:36 am #

    I can’t wait to see what venomous ass-hat-ery happens at the Chicago Olympics…

  22. Mike In WNY October 2, 2009 at 10:22 am #

    Telling people not to make comparisons when similarities exist sounds Hitler-like, without the genocide, of course.

    As far as the John Birch Society goes, they opposed civil rights legislation based on the 10th Amendment. If the politicians had listened to them, many of the government programs that sprung from the civil rights movement would not have occurred and black people today would be in a much better economic position. History has vindicated the JBS. They may have been a bit over-the-top in their views on communism, but the very people they attacked as communists are the same people who have helped to destroy the Constitution and create government enslavement programs. I guess they just couldn’t believe people who weren’t communists would do so much damage to our country.

    • Alan Bedenko October 2, 2009 at 10:37 am #

      Telling people not to make comparisons when similarities exist sounds Hitler-like, without the genocide, of course.

      Glibness is all you have left. This blog isn’t a totalitarian dictatorship, Mike. I’ll tell you whatever the fuck I want to tell you, and if you want to compare me to Hitler then my email address is here. Let’s arrange for you to say it directly to my fucking fat face.

      You can make whatever asshatted clownshoes comparison you want. And I’ll call it exactly what it is – tantamount to blood libel.

      The John Birch Society is a bunch of whackadoodle McCarthyites who opposed a federal civil rights act for minorities, which was quite necessary at the time because certain states thought they had the “right” to treat minorities as second-class citizens, something that is prohibited by the constitution. The civil rights act rendered Jim Crow illegal. Seems like a good interpretation of the constitution’s equal protection clause to me. Your wish for only literate property owners to be able to vote was quite popular in the post-Civil War Southern United States.

  23. Byron October 2, 2009 at 10:30 am #

    What a weasel. Jim O. at least would (probably) stand behind an extreme sounding position if he took it.

  24. Byron October 2, 2009 at 10:38 am #

    I wonder if Fudoli-Schratz-Hardwick-Dixon also believe that the 1960s civil rights laws were a big mistake? Someone should ask them that.

    • Alan Bedenko October 2, 2009 at 11:10 am #

      *The left is using the classic smear technique of grouping together disparate persons, groups and ideologies that may share some accidental characteristics, to imply that they share other, unsavory characteristics. (E.g., Hitler was a vegetarian, Ostrowski is a vegetarian, therefore, Ostrowski is a war criminal) As Lew Rockwell pointed out today, the shooter liked paper money inflation so if you do too, you are guilty of murder. He hated Christianity so if you are an atheist, you contributed to this murder.

      – Jim Ostrowski, after the Holocaust Museum murders.
      IOKIYAL

  25. mike October 2, 2009 at 11:35 am #

    Please don’t smear the good name of hitler by comparing him to hudson.

  26. Ethan October 2, 2009 at 12:31 pm #

    The only thing I have to say to anyone making an Obama/Hitler comparison is: fuck you.
    “I saw Hitler’s soldiers. I saw swastikas every day. To call Obama stupid, even criminal — OK, that’s politics. But Hitler? It’s hurting to anyone no matter who is president,” a Holocaust survivor told Times of the Internet. linky-link

  27. Ward October 2, 2009 at 2:38 pm #

    Is “Chris Smith” the same as “Christopher Smith”?

  28. Ward October 2, 2009 at 2:41 pm #

    “Oi don’t loike the sound of these ‘ere Obama Boncentration Bamps.”

  29. Ward October 2, 2009 at 2:59 pm #

    Oi don’t loike the sound of these ‘ere Obama Boncentration Bamps.

  30. Hank October 2, 2009 at 5:24 pm #

    Alan–Get a blood pressure screening. You’re getting bent WAY to far out of shape. Bush was compared to Hitler by oodles of left wing people and groups–especially in the light of Abu Gharib and Gtmo—which Oba-mao is in no particular fucking hurry to close. Another promise broken.

    I doubt there has been very many books about National Socialism, the Third Reich or Hitler that I don’t own. Also have Triumph of the Will and the Danish made “Mein Kampf” documentary on DVD. AFAIK the only books I may not have read are the ones not translated from German, though I can read, speak and write German.
    There are comparisons. You might not like to hear that, but there are. Not on policy, so far.
    Both of them had charismatic speaking ability—IMO the only reason Obama got elected. Both were/are never afraid to tell the BIG LIE. Hitler promised “Arbeit und Brot” (work and bread) when he ran against Hindenburg for Reichsprasident (sorry no umlaut) in 1932. Obama promised “Shovel Ready Jobs” Hitler asked for and got the People’s Car. Obama took over General Motors. OTOH, Hitler worked with the big bankers and the industrialists (Krupp, Porsche, Fokker,etc) to provide financing for offensive build-up and the Autobahn—Obama took the banks over. At the end of the day there is a true difference between them. Hitler wanted to use the private sector to achieve his goals. Obama wants to nationalize the private sector to control the lives of Americans that he thinks are too stupid to make their own choices. And you are one of those Americans, along with every liberal boob that thinks he’s out to help you. When the country gets fucked, WE ALL GET FUCKED—that includes Alan Bedenko. So at least when you catch the Obama government pole in your keester, you can find solace in that you asked for it.

  31. Michael October 2, 2009 at 5:32 pm #

    This being Ghandi’s birthday and all, I can’t help but think about how his superior oratory and organizational skills really did make Mahatma Ghandi so very much like Adolph Hitler. The parallels are staggering.

    Nope. Can’t do it. What about Clarence Darrow? He was a skilled orator and must’ve been a pretty organized guy, judging by his body of accomplishments. Was Clarence Darrow a turn-of-the-20th-century-Hitler? He must’ve been, right?

    Even couched in sarcasm, this is a tenuous, ephemeral and repugnant analogy. “Fuck you” is more than this deserves. I can’t imagine a reaction other than laughing in their face if someone were to look me in the eye and compare the president or anybody to Hitler and were serious.

    Ridiculous fucking nonsense.

  32. Hank October 2, 2009 at 5:43 pm #

    Oh, BTW—Jim Crow, Separate but Equal, and the rest of the Post Civil war shit was designed and run by Democrats==Makes you proud, eh?
    And Seriously Alan–all bullshit aside, you REALLY seem angry, as to most of your merry band of liberal nit-wits—I don’t want to see any of you getting heart attacks or strokes. I’d miss laughing my asses off at your indignant outrages. Fucking hilarious!!!

  33. The Humanist October 2, 2009 at 6:17 pm #

    Hank has an extensive library and A/V collection devoted to Nazism. You could knock me over with a feather from the surprise.
    And Hank – all those Dixiecrat, Jim Crow-enabling Southern Democrats? They migrated to the Republican party after Truman, Humphrey, JFK and LBJ established the Democrats as the party of civil rights for all Americans.

  34. mike October 2, 2009 at 6:38 pm #

    hank you forgot hitler had a dog and so does barry, you must be right, i feel so stupid to be fooled by that dog loving hitler wanta be.

  35. al l October 2, 2009 at 11:29 pm #

    @Hank “Oh, BTW—Jim Crow, Separate but Equal, and the rest of the Post Civil war shit was designed and run by Democrats==Makes you proud, eh?”

    seriously?

    no really, SERIOUSLY? do i really have to explain this? im assuming you are willfully misrepresenting how the two party system worked or you are absolutely ignorant. it wasnt Democrats with a big D, it was conservatives with a small C.

    there is a lesson in there for you: small c conservatives always turn out to be history’s bad guys -always. ask the Loyalists, the Confederates, the Anti-suffragists, the big Trusts, pro-child labor advocates, the Klan, those opposed to integrating the Military, “separate but equal” drones, or today’s wedge issue dittoheads . . .

    now, I ask, what side of history will you be on?

  36. BrianS October 3, 2009 at 2:10 am #

    OUCH!
    Seems like ol’ Hank is owned once again!

  37. mike hudson October 3, 2009 at 6:33 pm #

    hitler and obama are nothing alike.

    hitler managed to get the olympics.

  38. Jackstraw October 3, 2009 at 11:05 pm #

    ” setting aside further the demonization, codified hatred and legalized murder of homosexuals, slavs, gypsies, and any other non-Aryans, and setting aside millions upon millions of displaced and broken families and homes, Obama is just like Hitler.” Well…Iraq, Afganistan and soon to be Iran are a start!

  39. al l October 3, 2009 at 11:11 pm #

    Mike Hudson,

    WTF!

    Germany was awarded the games BEFORE the Nazis came to power – but clearly history hasnt been well represented here today, so why let those nasty facts get in the way. that said, let me try your logic games:

    Hitler had the Olympics
    Obama did not get the Olympics
    Therefore Obama and Hitler are not alike.

    ergo

    Hitler had the Olympics
    George HW Bush had the Olympics (Atlanta was selected in 1990)
    Hitler and Bush are the same?

    or:

    Hitler had the Olympics
    Reagan had the Olympics
    Hitler and Reagan are the same?

    How am I doing?

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