Quick Post-Election Post

4 Nov

This is being written quickly on 6 hours’ sleep, so I’ll try to flesh it out at a later time.

1. I thought Hardwick would win.  I didn’t think he’d obliterate Iannello. Congratulations to him.  As I said last night to Chris, I hope he does look at the substantive, incremental regionalism that’s been shunted by the wayside in the last few years.

2. Dino Fudoli beat Diane Terranova, whom he tirelessly worked to keep off the ballot.  Well, it’s somewhat easier to win elections when you figuratively gag and tie your opponent up.  Kathy Konst, whose name stayed on the ballot on the Independence Party line, pulled 20% of the vote, so a separate eff you goes out to her and Collins for colluding to get Fudoli elected.  Fudoli was supposed to be some kind of reformist businessman, but he acted thuggishly during this race, and as far as I’m concerned, his win is tainted.

3. Lynne Dixon blew the doors off Bob Reynolds?  I didn’t see that coming.

4. I didn’t pay much attention to NJ and VA, where Republican gubernatorial candidates won.  They won.  Yay them. Apparently, Republican turnout was as strong as November 2008, but Democratic turnout collapsed.

5. NY-23.  I privately told Chris yesterday that I thought Owens would eke out a win by 2 points.  He won 49.3% vs. 45.2%.  I think Robert Harding’s analysis here is pretty spot-on, and I’ll return to what I said last night: the American people are generally in the middle.  Party activists can tend to be on the political extremes.  Our system of candidate selection, including through primaries, favors the true believer extremists.  Unfortunately, that doesn’t always translate well when you open it up to the general population.  Make no mistake – this loss is a huge blow to the Palinist wing of the Republican Party, which pulled out every single available stop to make sure Hoffman won. When they start the purge of Olympia Snowe, they’d better remember this day.

6.  Chris Collins won some, lost some today.  He gains friendly seats in the legislature.  Veto overrides will be harder now.  He lost the comptroller’s race, and will now have to stand up to more of that pesky scrutiny he so dislikes.

7. Tim Howard.  The Democrats need to recruit someone to run against this guy immediately and start building a credible, strong, well-funded campaign a whole lot earlier than March of 2013.

8. That’s enough, Alice Kryzan.

Your thoughts & observations in comments, please.

85 Responses to “Quick Post-Election Post”

  1. Ward November 4, 2009 at 8:11 am #

    What in the world were the Dems thinking when they ran a Cheektowaga cop against Howard? A cop in charge of other cops? Is there any other PD in the region whose officers are held in lower regard from the standpoint of professionalism and respect for citizens’ rights? Who’s in charge of that fraternity? Capt. Glascott? Perhaps the voters had less than total confidence he could make any kind of difference at the Jail. (Others may wish to comment on the low City turnout–not unexpected.)

  2. The Humanist November 4, 2009 at 8:23 am #

    Two quick thoughts:

    1) re: NY-23 – yes it’s a shocker and a piece of good news on an otherwise tough night for Democrats, let’s not forget that it’s just 1 out of 435 seats. The real impact of this race is the looming primary battles in the GOP between moderate Republicans and the Palin-approved Teabag candidates. Now that NY-23 has blown up in their face, Republicans should learn to nip these things in the bud.

    2) We’re already seeing pundits and the so-called “liberal” media reading the gubernatorial results in VA and NJ as the voters “sending a message” to President Obama. They could have asked the voters themselves – someone who did found that a clear majority did not consider the President a factor in their vote and that he remains popular in both states.

  3. Joe Genco November 4, 2009 at 8:36 am #

    From Erie County to the Gubernatorial races, this election was a message that the Democrats and Joe Sixpack do not see eye to eye and that if our current regime really still embraces capitalism, it needs to find a way to recapture our imagination. The perception is “change” means I’m reaching for your wallet, I’m going to take the bills and leave you nickels unless you A) work for the government or B) are a member of a Union. It is a question of perception.

  4. buffaloobserver November 4, 2009 at 9:16 am #

    What was the overall turnout, something like 24%? In the city around 11%? Nice of Byron to get his machine going for fellow Democrats countywide. How pathetic. We get what we deserve.

  5. Brian November 4, 2009 at 9:24 am #

    County Legislature – It shouldn’t be a surprise when republicans win districts that republicans designed.
    Democrats locally and nationally were fatigued after a long 2008.

  6. Steve November 4, 2009 at 9:25 am #

    Spin Spin Spin….you guys are going to fall down if you keep it up.

  7. Byron November 4, 2009 at 9:29 am #

    Can’t wait for the Ward-Hudson spin on NY-23! Should be funny stuff.

  8. Byron November 4, 2009 at 9:36 am #

    Redstate: The fact that a Democrat won NY-23 for the first time since Ulysses S. Grant was President is “a huge win for Conservatives”.

    I doubt that even Ward-Hudson can top that.

  9. Hey Pockyway November 4, 2009 at 9:47 am #

    Dan Ward and his slew of Dem’s gone in AMherst.

  10. Hank November 4, 2009 at 9:55 am #

    Barry got bitch-slapped in both VA AND NJ. Barry was in Norfolk last week still stumping for Creigh Deeds, whom he had thrown under the bus just weeks before, blaming him and his campaign for the ass whippin’ he was gonna get at the polls. Barry all over NJ stumping for Corzine, making robo-calls yesterday to get out the vote, and Corzine got bitchslapped too. Even the unions coudn’t bring in enough votes to keep him in office.

    Howard got re-elected Sheriff??? That is a travesty. Not that Glascott packed the gear to do the job—the Democrats should have dug up a better opponent, even if they had to go out of state to find one. BTW, HUDSON CALLED IT WEEKS AGO!!! All y’all need to put a cold cloth on your face from the slapppin’ you just got from Mike. Ianello gets trounced? HA! Bad night for demo’s everywhere. In Lincolnton NC, a Republican was elected Mayor for the first time since the 1930’s, a record even longer than Buffalo’s for Democrat control over a Mayor’s Office. Republicans also elected to city council, for the first time since WW2.

    Crank up the spinner boys, ya got lots of ‘splainin’ to do.

  11. Adam K. November 4, 2009 at 10:22 am #

    1) Michele’s lucky she didn’t lose by 70 after those disgusting lies about people told about her

    2) Fiduli was going to win that no matter what

    3) Bob Reynolds is lay – wait for it – Z! Lynne Dixon worked 100 times as hard as he did and it showed. 

    None of the above in any way reflect on Chris Collins. 

    5) Huge loss to the wingnuts. I hope it doesn’t stop them though.

    7) Pathetic. Worst news of the day. How many more murders need to go free for this guy to get fired?

    It’s sad to me that Michele Iannello and Dan Ward, two of the three most independent and reform minded Democrats in the county, are now gone. If we ever want reform, we have to stop killing the only people who are, you know, pushing reform. Iannello is the only Dem to introduce term limits, campaign finance reform, public financing, tougher election laws (and penalties), and, of course, prop 1. Now we have 9 Democrats who don’t want to change the status quo instead of having one that did.

  12. Pauldub November 4, 2009 at 10:52 am #

    I heard Hardwick on the radio this morning talking about how he decided to run in order to help out collins. I thought the motive was supposed to be representing your district’s constituents. Sounds like we lost a rep and Collins gained a lapdog. Hope to hell I’m wrong.

  13. Hank November 4, 2009 at 11:06 am #

    Good to see Byron’s reading Red State—perhaps some of it might crack that liberal candy coated shell around his brain. But this he missed—-From the AP this morning ” Get on the health overhaul bandwagon, or don’t count on our help in your re-election.

    That’s the hardball message liberal groups are hurling at moderate Democratic senators in a battle that is dividing their party. Their demands: Support a bill that offers optional government-run health coverage and oppose Republican attempts to derail the legislation.”

  14. The Humanist November 4, 2009 at 11:31 am #

    Byron is merely sharing what may well be considered the most batshit insane post ever on a political blog. And that’s saying something.

    Thanks to the GOP shitting the bed in NY-23, Nancy Pelosi’s job to pass health care reform just got easier by two votes (Owens and a true progressive, John Garamendi in California)

  15. Ward November 4, 2009 at 11:57 am #

    Here you go–I agree 100% with Humanist. The Repubs shit the bed in NY 23.

    The eleven county Chairs, under the expert guidance of the (former) State Chair, relied on a bogus poll which touted Scozzafava’s favorables and potential electability. So they nominated her, without a primary. No one now seems willing to accept credit for that poll. I don’t think even my new BFF Humanist would claim that Scozzy was the right candidate for the Repubs to nominate in that district. Unless of course their goal was to shit the bed.

    The term is for one year. Any predictions on the 2010 Hoffman v Owens result in NY 23?

  16. mike hudson November 4, 2009 at 11:57 am #

    sheriff tim howard by six points. priceless.

    • Marc Odien November 4, 2009 at 12:05 pm #

      Mike, now that it is all said and done, can you tell me why you seemed to care so much about this race, because I seriously just don’t get it. You can email me if you don’t want to leave it in a comment.

  17. Byron November 4, 2009 at 12:08 pm #

    Speaking of bogus polls, a Siena poll had Hoffman up by 23 points – 3 days ago. Great job, guys.

    And of course, Hudson laughed hysterically at the idea (proposed by The Humanist, whom Hudson called a moron) that the race would even be close. Ditto.

  18. Darrell November 4, 2009 at 12:10 pm #

    Interesting Media day nationally. They’re trying to say it was a “Mandate” yet voter turn out was very low. In 2001 VA and NJ went from GOP governors to Dem governors, I don’t remember anyone saying there was a mandate on Bush. I guess there hasn’t been a 3 term governor in VA in 40 years, and NJ had a slew of issues so there was no way anyone would get reelected there. It seems like the Media is trying to create the story rather then cover it today.

  19. The Humanist November 4, 2009 at 12:21 pm #

    @ Ward – why wouldn’t Scozzafava have been the right candidate for the GOP in NY-23? I’m not professed expert in Northeastern NY GOP doings, but it seems that she would have carried the moderate Republican mantle of Rep. McHugh who held the seat for eight terms. I say the GOP shit the bed after the national and local GOP coordinated to put Scozzafava up for election, then allowed the Palin/Beck/Dick Armey Teabag Army to defame her up and down as a heretic. Not only did the GOP not lift a finger to defend her, they abandoned her en masse in order to hitch their wagon to a right-wing extremist. As the election results show, even in a traditionally Republican (but moderate) district, not enough voters are buying the Teabag Show.

    @ Byron – quick correction – it was PPP(Public Policy Polling) that had Hoffman by double digits. Siena’s last poll before yesterday had Hoffman by 5 – more reasonable, but ultimately wrong as well. Also, I consider it a high honor to be called a moron by an alcoholic, never-was, broken-down piece of shit like Hudson.

  20. The Humanist November 4, 2009 at 12:28 pm #

    @ Darrell – you are right. There’s a lot of push to define these off-cycle elections as some sort of referendum on Obama and the Democrats (see my post above).

    1) Virginia governors can’t serve successive terms – thus, the Democratic incumbent, Tim Kaine, wasn’t able to run for re-election
    2) Corzine was in the 30’s in job approval rating. I’m shocked he came as close as he did to being re-elected (he did manage to close a 15 point gap to a statistical tie right before yesterday)

  21. The Humanist November 4, 2009 at 12:33 pm #

    Hey Byron – I’ve one to challenge you on Most Delusional Post-Election GOP Soundbite:

    I’m in the business of winning.

    Michael Steele, Chairman of the Republican National Committee, November 4, 2009

  22. Byron November 4, 2009 at 12:34 pm #

    My bad, I misread this article. It actually says that as of Sunday Siena had Hoffman winning his 3 strongest counties (Madison, Oneida and Oswego) by 23 points – he actually won them by only 4. So they did goof, but not nearly as badly as I claimed.

  23. mike hudson November 4, 2009 at 12:51 pm #

    marc…i cared about the race because i saw a guy’s character being assassinated day after day here and i didn’t like it. period. electing a sheriff, in my view, is not like electing a mayor or any other politician. it would be like having elections for generals in the army. i think the problems in the erie county jails have a lot more to do with the county funding of the jails than they do with whoever the sheriff happens to be. glascott never once gave a compelling reason other than to suggest he thought he could do a better job than howard. a quick check of his backround showed no reason to suggest this might be true. there was never any pro-glascott campaign, here or anywhere else. there was simply an anti-howard campaign, that’s shit politics and, as i said, i just didn’t like it.

  24. Ward November 4, 2009 at 1:04 pm #

    Humanist — Scozzy’s Conservative rating slipped from mid-40s early on, to about 15% currently. (Don’t hold me to those numbers, but they’re pretty close.)

    That’s not really what one would call moderate, at least by the standards of the counties in question. That region has not changed much since the time I spent 4 years in desolation there seeking a degree and visiting the FX Matt Brewery on a regular basis.

  25. STEEL November 4, 2009 at 1:07 pm #

    It should be noted that the Virgina Dem ran away from Obama and only asked him to help out at the last minute. Stupid move on his part being that the state still is overwhelmingly in favor of Obama.

    The NY 23 is the real telling race. Here we see a republican electorate rejecting right wing wackiness. The Republicans are dead next year if they go this way.

  26. HapKlein November 4, 2009 at 1:16 pm #

    I thought this would be a good place to make some comments.
    1. I agree about Hardwicke but Michele had every supporter save the Democratic Party pull out in the past week and didn’t have a chance.
    2. That Fudoli win is a beaut. Are those guys that smart and the voters that dumb? The 20% vote for a non candidate is about the same as a vote for a dead person. Fudoli the ghoul.
    3. Bob Reynolds lost to the machine and he represented his District better than anyone for years (past and to come).
    4. NJ and VA results are congruent to the politics of a half-century. Each elects the party not in the Whitehouse in subsequent elections. But this time it was the independents that did the trick.
    5. Owens typifies the Demographic changes of the 23 rd District along with a larger independent vote. No doubt some Republicans just resented having local politics shoved aside by national dingbats.
    6. Chris Collins now has a veto proof legislature he yearned so much to gain. Now all he has to do is win over the Control Board, Wall Street, several million Jewish votes and have Rudy find another scandal so he can have the Governorship.
    7. I really thought that Tim Howard had tripped over too many times this election. Lord he has so many problems it’s a wonder he can get that hat at the right jaunt for the photo ops. If he can win under these circumstances he can win any time.
    8. Alice Kryzan is really intelligent but I don’t think it is smart to begin a political career as an environmental person at the levels she runs at.

  27. BrianS November 4, 2009 at 1:17 pm #

    Many Republicans are buying into the Limbaugh enhanced idea that they lost gib in ’08 because McCain was too moderate. “See, if they had only run a real conservative, the election results would’ve been different!”

    In reality, many moderates liked McCain—until he poisoned his own ticket with that moron Palin. How ironic: The far right thinks they need to do more of what LOST the election for them! That’s EGO for you.

  28. Hank November 4, 2009 at 2:47 pm #

    Guess Humanist and Bryon missed this one.

    While the Democrats are crowing a bit this morning over the unusual circumstances of NY-23, they might want to pay attention to one under-reported fact: Bill Owens, the man NY-23 sent to Congress last night, campaigned against the public option.

    That is not exactly a ringing endorsement of Obamacare by the voters up there.

    Democrats might want to rethink how they view NY-23. I mean, it’s YOUR state after all, I’d think you’d be paying more attention to what Owens had to say than the Conservatives coming in to help Hoffman.

  29. Hank November 4, 2009 at 2:49 pm #

    Steel—YOU WISH.

  30. Byron November 4, 2009 at 2:53 pm #

    There should be a word for leaving a post in a thread which shows beyond a shadow of a doubt that you haven’t read or understood one bit of it.

  31. mike hudson November 4, 2009 at 3:20 pm #

    hey, where’s haterade? i hope he didn’t take my advice and actually commit suicide!

  32. scott November 4, 2009 at 3:26 pm #

    i think the R’s are a bit dillusional and there media spin is predictable. jesus couldnt save corzine. obama gave him a good push, but he’s been a poor gov for nj and the current economic climate doesn’t help him. VA is typically a red state, but i think it’s turned into a pretty good bellweather state, D’s have had there share of luck there recently. NY23 is the story, I think Dede wins with proper support from her party in this historically R area (hence her anger). I think what NY23 told people is that they don’t care for meddling outsiders. I think the teabaggers lost here, odd’s are they continue to screw up the R’s in the next round of elections – SEE FLORIDA and GOV CRIST.

  33. Byron November 4, 2009 at 4:50 pm #

    Also, Owens (unlike many Blue Dogs and unlike Scozzafava and Hoffman) gave qualified support to the public option.

  34. shim November 4, 2009 at 4:59 pm #

    Love the way you glossed over the Dems defeat in VA and NJ with a “YAY them”. The truth is those were both states that Obama won handily in 2008 and apparently the whole “hope and change” thing isn’t going over too well. Humanist you can talk all you want about Obama being popular in both states but the fact remains that he campaigned hard for Corzine in NJ and it was all for naught. It appears Obama had as much influence on the voters of New Jersey as he had on the Olympic Committee in Denmark.

  35. The Humanist November 4, 2009 at 5:04 pm #

    More bullshit from Red State, peddled by Hank The Rubber Salesman.

    Owens backpedaled from his initial opposition to the public option and gave it his qualified approval
    . Given the extraordinary circumstances of his election, I would think he would be open to listening to his new colleauges’ thoughts on the matter.

  36. The Humanist November 4, 2009 at 5:06 pm #

    @ shim – Corzine was at 30% approval from the NJ voters. Obama could have made Springsteen Vice-President and it wouldn’t have made any difference.

    Yes, Obama is the first President in history to stump for a gubernatorial candidate who goes on to lose. He’s setting precedents all over the place. BTW, how did the Nobel Committee feel about him?

  37. The Humanist November 4, 2009 at 5:15 pm #

    and, right on cue…..the National Republican Senatorial Committee has been Teabagged. Oh happy day!

  38. scott November 4, 2009 at 5:21 pm #

    shim, you seem bitter. i’m enjoying the hope and change. this pres has done more in a year or has ATTEMPTED to do in a year then previous presidents have accomplished in 8 years. maybe a bit of patience might do americans well. after all, it took a full 8 years to get into this sh*t hole. maybe we should stop routing for OUR president to fail. as a buffalo resident…I would have loved to see chigaco get the olympics and i appreciate that our pres attempted to HELP! as an independent, i can’t wait for 2010.

  39. Byron November 4, 2009 at 5:31 pm #

    Even for wingnutz, blaming the failed Olympic bid on Obama is so incredibly stupid. No wonder everyone hates Republicans.

  40. shim November 4, 2009 at 6:10 pm #

    Scott…not bitter at all. Just making an observation. As for him doing more in a year..what exactly has he DONE? As for the Olympics…nice try. By most accounts Chicago was the virtual front runner to get the games until he so arrogantly breezed in and breezed out in a matter of hours in what you call his attempt to HELP! @Humanist I know how the Nobel Committe feels about him…I just thought you had to actually ACCOMPLISH something to get one of their awards! Oh and Byron..not sure the voters in Virginia and New Jersey would agree with your totally assinine statement that “everyone hates republicans”.. If you guys are this angry now…I can’t wait until the 2010 elections!!!!!

  41. Byron November 4, 2009 at 6:18 pm #

    Who says Chicago was the “virtual front runner”, whatever that means?

    And the percentage of voters who self-identify as Republican is at an historic low, so call it asinine all you want. It’s a fair statement, even if it came with a touch of (intentional) hyperbole.

  42. Byron November 4, 2009 at 6:19 pm #

    And where are any Dems in this thread angry? Make up some more stuff, OK?

  43. mike hudson November 4, 2009 at 6:20 pm #

    why do any of ya’ll think obama has anything to do with your lives? or george bush? the president of the united states has no more impact on your personal lives than the queen of england. keep drinking the kool-aid, teabagger & moveon.org members. the oligarchy loves it!

  44. Byron November 4, 2009 at 6:23 pm #

    Hudson used to taunt BP roughly three times a month that he (BP) wasn’t a true Democrat because he voted for a moderate Republican for President 20 years ago. Then 2009 comes around and suddenly he’s all “parties don’t matter”. I wonder what happened in 2008 to cause such an abrupt change? So hard to figure out . . .

  45. The Humanist November 4, 2009 at 6:25 pm #

    @ Shim – what say you about the exit polling in VA and NJ that said voters did not consider Obama a factor in their vote and that his job approval in each state is as high as it was before the election?

  46. shim November 4, 2009 at 6:26 pm #

    Byron- making assinine statements like “everybody hates republicans” sounds pretty angry to me even if you do attempt to back off the comments later by mentioning the percentage of Republican voters and your (intentional) hyperbole…..

  47. The Humanist November 4, 2009 at 6:26 pm #

    @ Byron – Mike Hudson proves how much of a true blue Democrat he is by coming on Pundit’s blog and insulting every Democrat within sight.

    Either that or he switched to the cheap gin to save money.

  48. Byron November 4, 2009 at 6:31 pm #

    Shim, you’re the one who regularly comes on here spitting blood (and spouting bullshit). I couldn’t care less about dingbats like you, and I’m certainly not angry. But as I said, continue making stuff up – we’ve come to expect it.

  49. steveinDC November 4, 2009 at 6:51 pm #

    Actually this first stated in Politico… check your sources.

    “More bullshit from Red State, peddled by Hank The Rubber Salesman.
    Owens backpedaled from his initial opposition to the public option and gave it his qualified approval. Given the extraordinary circumstances of his election, I would think he would be open to listening to his new colleauges’ thoughts on the matter.”

  50. mike hudson November 4, 2009 at 7:04 pm #

    humanist…you’re not a democrat, you are a fascist. you buy into a dogma and cling to the party line regardless of any evidence that might be presented. in that respect, you are as loathesome as any teabagger, bigot, wingnut in existence. so fuck you. how old are you for christ’s sake? your views are childlike, vindictive. even byron can’t match your idiocy.

    along the niagara frontier, in erie and niagara counties, yesterday’s election was a disaster for the democrats. clearly, people are turned off by little twits such as yourself who would presume pass judgment on their betters based on a strict set of litmus tests you lack the backround, education or experience to undertsand yourself.

  51. scott November 4, 2009 at 9:57 pm #

    chigaco was no front runner, shim. brazil was. he’s worked on closing obama, stonger leg on hate crime, worked towards stopping the 10% unemployment, bank crisis, car manu crisis, iraq war, recession, inflation and currently trying to help americans from getting f’cked by the health ins companies. all in 10 months. you are clearly a republican, thats fine, but can you name us some GOOD things that the previous rebub pres did in his 8 years???? Rebpub, Dem, Ind, whatever….i like to see my pres active and atleast attempting to do something. I recall going MONTHS without ever hearing from the previous pres.

  52. scott November 4, 2009 at 10:00 pm #

    closing gitmo. point being, cleaning up the mess that was left for him.

  53. shim November 4, 2009 at 10:01 pm #

    “Spitting blood and spouting bullshit?” Is that what it’s called when someone disagrees with you? Byron, you’re the one that talked about EVERYONE hating republicans. Again sounds pretty angry to me. But it’s really not anger..that’s a typical liberal come back to anyone that disagrees with you or your ideas. I’ll continue to give my opinions and comments…and save the “spitting blood (and spouting bullshit)” to the likes of you and Humanist.

  54. shim November 4, 2009 at 10:05 pm #

    @ Scott…you are correct Chigaco wasn’t the front runner…Chicago was…and you went months without hearing from the previous president because the liberal lap dog media wasn’t on hand 24/7 to record and report on his every move…

  55. shim November 4, 2009 at 10:06 pm #

    @scott I almost forgot the unemployment rate didn’t hit 10% until Obama took over….but thanks for showing up and enlightening us with your opinions

  56. scott November 4, 2009 at 10:11 pm #

    right. 2009 came and the world went to crap instantly.

  57. The Humanist November 4, 2009 at 10:13 pm #

    @ Mike Hudson – I’m younger and ten times healthier than your liver.

  58. The Humanist November 4, 2009 at 10:21 pm #

    Shim longs for a President who knew how to take it easy….like George W. Bush who spent 1020 days (more than 1/3 of his presidency) on vacation. That counts Bush’s first year in office, where he took some much-needed time off after not-being-elected President…..to the tune of 96 days (41%) in his first 7 months in office, including the entire month of August 2001. Which was no problem as nothing important happened the following month….

  59. mike hudson November 4, 2009 at 11:08 pm #

    it’s been more than a year since obama was elected president. thus far he has failed to close gitmo, failed to pass universal health care, failed to end the war in iraq and stands ready to escalate the unwinnable war in afghanistan. heckuva job, heckuva job. no wonder automatons like humorless love him! what some president did eight years ago is far more important, obviously, than what the current president isn’t doing now.

  60. The Humanist November 4, 2009 at 11:36 pm #

    and it’s been almost a year since Hudson has put down the fifth long enough to hammer out another inane “Why hasn’t Obama accomplished this on my insane timetable?” post.

    I thought the President didn’t matter in our everyday lives, Brenda Starr?

  61. mike hudson November 4, 2009 at 11:57 pm #

    obama said he would close gitmo immediately. he did not. he said he would pass universal health care in his first year. he has not. he said he would got us out of iraq in nine months, which he also has not. he promised these things to you, me and the world. i can’t stand a guy who makes promises he doesn’t keep. guys like that make my flesh crawl. and it doesn’t have anything to do with whether he’s the president or not. that such a simple position eludes you, dick cheese, merely reinforces my previous statements concerning your wingnuttiness.

  62. mike hudson November 5, 2009 at 12:49 am #

    actually, he said nine months when he was debating other dems then changed it to 16 months by the time he got around to debating mccain. so if you want to use the 16 months figure we’ll just say that he hasn’t not done it YET.
    at present, there are more than 130,000 u.s. troops in iraq, and obama has six months in which to get them out if he is to live up to his promise to the american people. as anyone familiar with military operations could tell you (chris smith?), moving that many soldiers and support material out of country in six months is a logistic impossibility.

  63. Byron November 5, 2009 at 8:16 am #

    And now Hudson has gone full Jonah Goldberg. Yeah I care tons about his opinion on what a true Democrat is. Yawn.

  64. scott November 5, 2009 at 9:39 am #

    maybe he was assuming the repubs would help him out? and not stand in the way, for the sake of standing in the way? if he can undo the damage done in the previous 8 years in his first year or two, that would be a miracle. Seems absurd to blame the guy who’s left to clean up the mess and give a free pass to the guys who made the original mess. very short memory.

  65. mike hudson November 5, 2009 at 1:15 pm #

    as i’ve stated before, i don’t give a rat’s ass about what a “true democrat” is. it is you, byron, who have weighed in on the democratness of people like hillary clinton, geraldine ferraro and others who do not follow your strict dogma. it’s just that i hate a fucking liar.

  66. Byron November 5, 2009 at 1:59 pm #

    I have never “weighed in on the democratness of people like hillary clinton or geraldine ferraro”, so tell me again who the fucking liar is.

    I’m reminded of when you complained that people on this site were such Obama-trons that they called Hillary Clinton a bitch. When it was pointed out that one and only one person had ever called Hilary a bitch here – your brother hank – you promptly . . . dropped the subject.

    Go make up some more stuff, OK?

  67. mike November 5, 2009 at 3:15 pm #

    Hudson “it’s been more than a year since obama was elected president” your right a day more! I forgot he kicked that retard bush out the next day like a used diaper. Check the dumpster for your papers again, I think the old farts in the tower are using them for depends. Did you see how much the depends cost at Slipko’s? Say hi to that loser chandra for us.

  68. canisiusbringstheruckus November 5, 2009 at 7:34 pm #

    Democrats didn’t just do bad in Erie County, we did poorly all over WNY. It’s part of a historical shift for the other party that always happens after a new President is elected.

    I give Lenihan credit that he was able to maintain the County Legislature and keep Poloncarz in office despite the wealth of a popular (for nothing) Republican County Executive.

  69. canisiusbringstheruckus November 5, 2009 at 7:37 pm #

    *for being able to maintain.

    Just realized what a grammatical train wreck that sentence was.

  70. mike hudson November 5, 2009 at 10:14 pm #

    actually, canisius, dems did bad all over the country. virginia repugs crushed the opposition in virginia, in new jersey obama made two personal appearances on behalf of john corzine, who lost by 5 points, and maine — which has gone dem in the last five presidential elections — overturned the state’s gay marriage law despite considerable out of state money and celebrity expended to keep it in place. in niagara county, incumbent dems lost in north tonawanda, lockport and lewiston, while in wheatfield they lost a heads up election with no incumbent. in the fifth legislative district, nick melson — an office boy of francine delmonte’s — lost by a landslide to vince sandonato, 23, in a district that’s been held by the dems as long as anyone can remember. combined with the disaster dems experienced in erie county, and the fact that the senate won’t have a health care bill ready to vote on until early next year, things look plenty bleak with the 2010 congressional elections now fast approaching.

  71. The Humanist November 5, 2009 at 11:24 pm #


  72. mike hudson November 5, 2009 at 11:42 pm #

    humanist spent election night telling us how the maine ballot initiative was a sure thing, just like geoff edwards said on primary night that brown-kearns was going to be a real squeaker.

  73. mike hudson November 5, 2009 at 11:43 pm #

    defeat of the maine ballot initiative, that is.

  74. Byron November 6, 2009 at 7:26 am #

    Yeah and just like Hudson told us that Hoffman was going to win easily in NY-23. Oops!

  75. Hank November 6, 2009 at 9:23 am #

    That’s OK Byron, I’d rather have a democrat in 23 that opposes the Public Option Healthcare plan like Owens, than a RINO with a union thug husband like scuzzafava, who proved her RINO status by endorsing the Democrat, and her being the “actual” Republican in the race.

    Voted for tax increases in the NY legislature over 100 times? That’s no republican, pal.

  76. Byron November 6, 2009 at 10:06 am #

    As 2 people have already said, Owens doesn’t oppose the public option. But just keep making stuff up like your buddy hudson, we enjoy it laughing at you 2 clowns.

  77. mike hudson November 6, 2009 at 11:15 am #

    so owens squeaked past a third-party candidate in the 23rd. a major accomplishment!

  78. Byron November 6, 2009 at 12:13 pm #

    Didn’t say it was a major accomplishment. I said that YOU assured us all that Hoffman would win big, going so far as to laugh at the Humanist for suggesting that it would be close. Nice call there.

    • Alan Bedenko November 6, 2009 at 12:26 pm #


      hoffman will win the 23rd, of course. that is not good for the dems, in that it shows that appearances by the likes of sarah palin and fred thompson can even work in bluer than blue new york state. to say he needs to win by double digits is just being a poor loser. also, if coupled with gubernatorial wins in virginia and new jersey, today will be seen as an indication of dem fortunes in 2010.

      in 1993, republicans christie todd whitman in new jersey and george allen in virginia captured their states’ governor’s mansions, and the following year brought the dramatic republican takeover of congress. hoffman’s sure thing election should also put an end to endless palaver about the relevance of minor party lines in new york state.


      hoffman needs what, 2 or 3 percent of the 20 percent scozzafava had in order to trounce owens. believe me, those republicans are not going to vote democratic all of a sudden. it is a republican district. sarah palin wins one in new york state. chris smith is shitting his diapers.


      got a whole lot more interesting? you’ve been interested in it for a month, alan. and afflicting us with updates, constant updates. so nobody gave a shit about your heroine repug dede scozzafava enough to donate two cents to her campaign. and nobody gave a shit about her enough to say they liked her in the polls. she sucked so bad that a guy who is a member of a party that was just invented and doesn’t even in exist in the vast majority of these united states managed to beat her by 15 percent in the polls, and now you think, that because she says she likes this guy instead of that guy, anyone’s gonna give a shit?
      that’s some political strategy, alan.

      looking forward to discussing this, the sheriff’s race and more on tuesday night.

      I guess my little scenario has actually come to pass.

      And just to rub it in, here’s what I wrote way back on 10/23:

      I assume “Big Cheese” is the President of the United States. I don’t know who “thugs” is supposed to refer to, but either way, it’s looking like NY-23 is going to be a Democratic pickup thanks to the teabaggers coming in from literally all over the country to tell the North Country to vote for Hoffman. Strategery!

  79. Byron November 6, 2009 at 12:33 pm #

    Oh and the undecided’s broke 3 to 1 for Owens in the last few days before Tuesday, but that can’t have anything to do with Scozzafava’s endorsement of him because political genius hudson told us it couldn’t.

  80. Byron November 6, 2009 at 12:37 pm #

    Hey, good call BP! Also, thanks for reminding me that hudson also went so far as to pre-gloat about how he was going to throw Hoffman-Palin’s victory in our face on Tuesday. I guess that chicken never hatched.

  81. mike November 6, 2009 at 2:13 pm #

    Lets not forget “nick melson — an office boy of francine delmonte’s — lost by a landslide to vince sandonato, 23” that was only 12 posts ago. Well Sandonato beat Melson, 1,012 to 804 is that considered a landslide? please enlighten me hudson, i know you consider yourself the betters or was that bitters.

    • TomJ November 10, 2009 at 8:45 pm #

      Well Sandonato beating melson by 200+ votes is a blow out for these reasons:

      1. Its almost 3-1 dem to republican enrollment in that district and Sandonato is a Republican, running as a true Republican nontheless, and still walked away with 56% of the vote
      2. The seat was held by a Democrat for the last 30-50 years, not sure the exact years but more than 30, and to make it more clear, lets just agree that the seat has NEVER been held by a Republican until now
      3. His opponent had every big wig Dem backing him (Slaughter, Del Monte, the mayor, Sen Thompson, etc…)
      4. If thats not enough, just google the race and see what news articles you find, including non-Republican biased reports… the leaders are quoted as being more pissed off about losing that seat than any seat including the mayor races

      … just food for thought

  82. The Humanist November 6, 2009 at 5:07 pm #

    Hank sez: “That’s OK Byron, I’d rather have a democrat in 23 that opposes the Public Option Healthcare plan like Owens…

    Yet another spot-on analysis from Hank, the rubber-selling, Red-State regurgitating assclown.

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