Open Thread

1 Dec

This is where you go if you want to engage in “f*ck you”, “no f*ck YOU!@” with Mike Hudson and similar.

Obama says, “yay!”

33 Responses to “Open Thread”

  1. mike hudson December 1, 2009 at 8:47 am #

    speaking of, he’s gonna send 34,000 more troops into the afghan quagmire. at least it was the afghan quagmire when that other asshole was president. what are we calling it today?

  2. mike hudson December 1, 2009 at 10:12 am #

    the only commies i know about are in cuba, north korea and red china, america’s #1 trading partner.

    anybody seen STEEL?

  3. realbuff December 1, 2009 at 10:29 am #

    And no Charlie Brown Christmas special. Fucking Looser!

  4. mike December 1, 2009 at 12:06 pm #

    Why are you encoraging that moron hudson?

  5. mike hudson December 1, 2009 at 3:44 pm #

    with our great president obama’s approval rating now at 45 percent (39 percent among whites) and sure to plummet even further after tonight’s speechifying television spectacular, i don’t need any encouragement. no health care, no end to the war in iraq, escalation in afghanistan, record unemployment, the bank bailout that has resulted in 30 percent interest rates on credit cards etc. i don’t think the majority of right-thinking american people do either.

    btw, anyone heard from STEEL?

    • Jon Splett December 1, 2009 at 4:21 pm #

      I’ve been keeping my mouth shut about how giant a failure the guy is as a president on the whole health care thing but he’s officially lost ‘benefit of the doubt’ status with the escalation of war.

      But you know, he’s better than Bush so we’re all suppose to be okay with it which is sort of like Bills fans thinking Ryan Fitzpatrick is saving the franchise because he’s better than Trent Edwards.

      • Eric Saldanha December 1, 2009 at 4:46 pm #

        and this is such a shocking surprise to you because candidate Obama mentioned his intent to increase resources and troops in Afghanistan only about 200 times from 2007-2008.

        I’m against the troop escalation and accompanying 3-year “exit” strategy because I don’t think we can trust the Karzai government at all, but I’m not going to pretend this is some shocking turnaround from exactly what this President pledged to do on the campaign trail.

        And, if Obama is such a “failure” in getting health care reform legislation farther than any president in 45 years, what, to you, constitutes “success”? A single-payer system for everyone? Do you honestly think you could get that through both houses of Congress?

      • Hank December 1, 2009 at 5:22 pm #

        And you believe that Max? You get the gullible trophy for the week. It’s like taking your car to 2 different shops to be repaired. One shop fixes what’s broken and nothing else. One shop fixes what’s broken and 20 things that aren’t. The latter is what happens when Government “Fixes” something, Not a word in either bill about tort reform. The Trial Lawyers who line the pockets of the President and Congress wouldn’t like that. So it won’t get done.

      • Jon Splett December 1, 2009 at 7:31 pm #

        @Eric- Please quote the part where I said I was ‘shocked’ about the escalation. I knew as long as anyone not named Kucinich or Gravel won the Democratic primary, we wouldn’t see an end to either war. Did I hold out hope Obama was just paying lip service and making himself more electible to a war crazed American public? Yea. Was that hope ill advised? Yea.

        And yea, anything short of single payer is a failure. This bill is a handjob to the insurance industry. If ‘better than nothing’ is the level of accountability you hold your party to, I’m not surprised they’ve become a bunch of toothless pussies. If they democrats wanted the blue dogs on board for single payer, they could have had the DNC cut campaign funding to any democrat voting against it. They didn’t because they don’t have the balls to do so and remain in the pocket of lobbyists.

        It’s funny how we have money to escalate troops to murder people in a country we don’t live in but we don’t have the money to supply medicine to save the people in the one we do.

      • Eric Saldanha December 1, 2009 at 8:35 pm #

        My reply is downthread

  6. Hank December 1, 2009 at 5:11 pm #

    The Cover Story broke yesterday—another “Over the weekend” end run by the Dems. Kerry’s committee releases report that says “Bush and Rumsfeld let Bin Laden and Al-Zarahiri get away so they would have an excuse to invade Iraq”. So Barry gets the fudge factor —Tonight he will say:
    “I have to put these troops in because Bush fucked up and didn’t get Bin Laden when he should have”. Another Blame Bush meme—-It’s past fucking old. So the Center Dem base will be happy—Then he’ll say “Here’s our exit strategy” so the Far Left Fringe gets their sap.
    Obviously the President will be giving the Taliban and Al-Queda the nod—-All they have to do is what General Giap did in Vietnam—-WAIT US OUT—Once we leave, they’ll be back in business. All this Bullshit about Training the Afghans and Pakistanis is a word I’ve heard before—VIETNAMIZATION. We saw how well the ARVN held up after we left. Giap admitted had we gone full bore, they would have given up.

    New phrase for Afganistan —Obama’s Vietnam.

  7. Hank December 1, 2009 at 5:12 pm #

    Besides, had Clinton taken BinLaden into custody, there would never have been a 9/11. Ever think about that?

    • Eric Saldanha December 1, 2009 at 5:47 pm #

      …and if Reagan hadn’t funded and trained Bin Laden and if Bush I hadn’t stationed troops in Saudi Arabia, inflaming Bin Laden and his cohorts….ad nauseum.

    • Eric Saldanha December 1, 2009 at 5:55 pm #

      of course, if we’re throwing around “what ifs”, what if G.W. Bush and his national security team had actually paid attention to the August 6, 2001 Presidential Daily Briefing entitled “Bin Laden Determined To Strike In The U.S.” instead of the tinhorn dunce commenting after the briefing was concluded – “All right. You’ve covered your ass, now

      We will be paying for the incompetence and utter comtemptibility of the Bush II administration for decades.

    • Byron December 1, 2009 at 6:08 pm #

      Eric, I have never heard any right-winger/Bush dead-ender say a single word about the August 2001 PDB, even when it’s brought up in their presence. The response is always – nothing.

      Of course there is the interesting thought experiment: imagine that a Democratic President had done what W did in Aug. 2001 – what would the wingnut reaction have been?

      • Eric Saldanha December 1, 2009 at 6:39 pm #

        Impeachment, followed by public execution by boiling grease.

        Of course, one could reasonably assume that President Gore would have implemented the stricter airport security recommendations from a White House commission headed in 1996…by then-VP Al Gore. He also would have taken the January 25, 2001 memo from then-National Security Council Advisor Richard Clarke and Clarke’s repeated requests throughout the first six months of 2001 for Cabinet-level meetings on dealing with bin Laden and Al-Qaeda a lot more seriously than Condi Rice’s blank stares and Paul Wolfowitz’ declaration that “Well, I just don’t understand why we are beginning by talking about this one man, bin Laden”

  8. Max Tresmond December 1, 2009 at 5:17 pm #

    You can’t call healthcare a failure. Take some time to read the report from the Congressional Budget Office. It indicates that the bill will have a modestly positive impact on premium costs for most Americans. Most people will see healthcare costs go down. That’s hardly a failure, especially since rising healthcare costs are major factors in government spending.

  9. Max Tresmond December 1, 2009 at 5:36 pm #

    “And you believe that Max?…”

    Hank, with all due respect, did you read the Congressional Budget Office report? I’m as skeptical about the President’s policies as anyone, but I read the report and the figures are pretty solid. Unless you have actually read the report and know what we’re talking about, you’re just grandstanding.

  10. shim December 1, 2009 at 7:02 pm #

    Ah yes…the Celebrity in Chief will be at it again tonight. Can’t hold a press conference like every other President he has to have the back drop of West Point! Look for more theatrics as his poll numbers continue to drop.

    • Jon Splett December 1, 2009 at 7:36 pm #

      Um, I heard we once had a president who held a press conference on a battleship with a ‘Mission Accomplished’ banner but I forget what his name is…

  11. mike December 1, 2009 at 7:48 pm #

    hank grandstanding? Up here we call it talking out of his ass !

  12. Eric Saldanha December 1, 2009 at 8:30 pm #

    @ Jon – “he’s officially lost ‘benefit of the doubt’ status with the escalation of war”

    He should have lost “benefit of the doubt” status with you on January 20, 2009, then. Maybe he did seeing as how you’re declaring him a “failure” after 10 months in office.

    “Did I hold out hope Obama was just paying lip service and making himself more electible to a war crazed American public? Yea. Was that hope ill advised? Yea.”

    So, because Obama didn’t lie on the campaign trail and is doing exactly what he promised….this is a failing on his part? I thought you were the idealist! And if you think the American public was war-crazed in 2008, you must have been holed up in a VFW Hall with Fox News on 24/7.

    As for the health care reform bills – yeah, they could have been a lot better. Single-payer is infinitely preferable to the current legislation as written, but I will see. The bills are not in their final form, but I’m not confident that Reid can withstand the conservative Senate Democrats’ drive to weaken the final bill. That said, the CBO report on the Senate bill found that health care premiums for most covered under the exchange would drop significantly. It’s not perfect, but it’s a start. If the Democratic leadership can display some of the fortitude you alluded to (and if some of the conservative Dem members of Congress lose their seats when they find out voters don’t support Republican-lite assholes), this may be the first step of a series of reforms to our healthcare system.

    “It’s funny how we have money to escalate troops to murder people in a country we don’t live in but we don’t have the money to supply medicine to save the people in the one we do.”

    I could neither agree more, nor have said it better. Cheers

    • Eric Saldanha December 1, 2009 at 8:38 pm #

      2nd sentence should read: Single-payer is infinitely preferable to the current legislation as written, but I will see John McCain French-kissing Tom Coburn on the floor of the Senate before I see single-payer health care for all Americans signed into law in my lifetime.

  13. mike hudson December 1, 2009 at 9:16 pm #

    i think obama said something about “health care for all americans.” that won’t happen under either the senate or house version of the bill. i also don’t remember him saying anything about jail terms of up to five years for those who “willfully” refuse to buy into the system. he put his own time frame on health care, btw, saying it would be law during his first year in office. FAIL.

    like splett, i never said anything about being shocked by the fact that obama is escalating the war in afghanistan. i fully expected him to do so. but in the runup to the election, when obamamania was peaking, i was attacked here for mentioning it. so contrary to your assessments, it was his supporters’ assessments that were wrong. FAIL.

    finally, he said america would be out of iraq 16 months after he took office and if you were sucker enough to ever believe that shit you define the word FAIL.

    anybody see STEEL? i kind of miss him.

    • Eric Saldanha December 1, 2009 at 10:23 pm #

      Mike H. – what you don’t remember (due to either being blackout drunk or willfully obstinate) could fit in 5 Superdomes.

  14. Becky December 1, 2009 at 10:57 pm #

    It’s misleading to talk about a falling approval rating as if all those who are unhappy are becoming conservative. Many left leaning people aren’t happy either, but for different reasons…What Jon Splett said up there (at 7:31).

    • Maximillian Tresmond December 2, 2009 at 10:38 am #

      Absolutely correct. Presidential approval rating historically tracks the economy. Many people have an ill-defined/no political ideology (see Zaller and Feldman). A minority of the U.S. population defines themselves as conservatives.

  15. mike hudson December 1, 2009 at 11:48 pm #

    @ becky…i certainly did not mean to imply that people who disapprove of obama are becoming conservatives. if i came across that way i’m sorry. it’s just that i don’t think progressives should be as tolerant about being misled as the conservatives are.

    as for you, eric, launching personal attacks on your betters serves only to highlight your own limited intellect. you should, at least, try to come up with some new material.

    • Byron December 2, 2009 at 7:56 am #

      I’m used to commenters here projecting their own obvious deficiencies onto their opponents but that last paragraph is hilarious. Hudson complaining about someone launching personal attacks and needing new material? Good one!

      • Eric Saldanha December 2, 2009 at 9:36 am #

        Byron – just wait until I remove my glasses and don my cape and reveal myself to Hudson as – The Humanist! Duh-Duh-Duh-Duh!

  16. Dan December 2, 2009 at 12:03 pm #

    Its gonna get worse…much worse.

  17. mike December 2, 2009 at 12:43 pm #

    hudson always believes he is the “betters” than everyone else. Why is that? better at what? Drinking everyone else under the table or better at getting his face shoved into toilets. I guess we will never know so sad.

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