Precious Irony

26 Dec

James O’Keefe and Hannah Giles apparently broke more laws than all of ACORN, ever.

46 separate investigations and inquiries, and ACORN has not been found to have broken a single law – no prosecution, no voter registration manipulation, no nothing.

But what of O’Keefe and Giles, who posed as pimp and ho, respectively, to try and get ACORN workers in various cities to say bad things?

The report also said that a sting-style effort to publicize the group’s allegedly illegal activities, may have broken state laws. Two conservative activists set off a firestorm in September when they posed as a pimp and a prostitute seeking financial advice and secretly videotaped Acorn employees offering advice on how the couple could hide their illicit activities and avoid paying taxes.

Sound & fury, and dollops of irony.

20 Responses to “Precious Irony”

  1. Mike In WNY December 27, 2009 at 1:59 am #

    The greater irony is the celebratory stance of the leftists regarding immoral activities being found technically legal. ACORN’s actions speak for themselves.

  2. mike hudson December 27, 2009 at 8:05 am #

    on sept. 2 of this year, acorn employee rosie lyles was convicted of voter fraud and sentenced to two years probation in alabama. on april 8 of this year, former las vegas, nevada, political director christopher edwards pleaded guilty to charges of voter fraud. as part of a plea deal, he’s agreed to testify against the organization in an upcoming trial. in april of 2008, 12 acorn members were convicted of voter fraud in missouri. in 2007, seven acorn workers were sentenced to jail time and the organization was fined $25,000 for voter fraud in washington state. in kansas city, four acorn workers were convicted on voter fraud in 2006, in colorado springs two workers were convicted of perjury after falsifying voter registration cards etc.

    what were o’keefe and giles tried, convicted and sentenced for again?

  3. joeschmidbauer December 27, 2009 at 11:59 am #


    Bush administration’s justice department targeted Acorn and friends. The suppression of minority voter registration and turn out was a political priority of Rove. Rove and the Bush white house fired Federal Attorneys who didn’t play ball with their political agenda. ( a number of these political convictions have been over turned in Mississippi or are being consisted for reopening like Governor Siegman in Al.)

    This is not new, Acorn and other community organizing groups have been targets of the republicans and the right-wing for forty years it is more systematic and appears to be part of broad political strategy now. The fact that majority of republicans believe Acorn stole the election for Obama tells you how successful the right-wing nut-fox noise machine is. And how stupid and ignorant some folks are. The fact that Obama won by 9 millions votes, the very idea that Acorn stole the election through voter fraud is stupid and insane.

    The founder of Acorn, Wade Rathke was in town last week, He basely said, Acorn didn’t handle its situation well and it has problems. (His talk is online at Buffalo and Buffalo

    I think the main problem with Acorn is its organizational structure and how it incentives workers to organize. I have friends who worked for Acorn and quit after a few months because of the incentive structure in Acorn. The voter fraud convictions that Hudson cites are a result of the incentive structure that can lead to fraud. But they are not organizational directives or policies from the leadership. All the folks who were convicted or excused of fraud are fired immediately. Like Union organizing, Community organizing is problematic it does not address the structure problems of power, and poverty or does it create a vision for a different future. It does not lead to a boarder discussion of power, and poverty in the community but it is a model that appears to threaten the right-wing-republican establishment because it is very clear it is under direct attack. Just watch Glen Beck and his monkey-time shock-jock- show. He tracks Wade Rathke as he travels around the world on tour, having Rathke organizing a Trotsky like international revolution against America and capitalism. ( -right wing-nuts conspiracy wet-dream). (Glen- boy needs to cut back on the coke)

    Last thing, there is a lot more to these attacks on community organizing groups like Acorn, or liberal advocacy group like ACLU – it appears to be a continuance of Rovan political strategy of polarization and class warfare. Very dangerous stuff.

  4. mike hudson December 27, 2009 at 12:42 pm #

    joe…i mentioned it only to debunk the absurd contention that “James O’Keefe and Hannah Giles apparently broke more laws than all of ACORN, ever.”

    • Alan Bedenko December 27, 2009 at 12:48 pm #

      Actually, Joe backed my contention up
      nicely. ACORN hasn’t broken any laws. Maybe a few bad apples did bad things due to the incentive structure, but there’s no organizational crimes or wrongdoing.

      You instead defend Breitbart’s useful idiots, because you’ll adopt any Limbaughesque Hannityism if it gives you a narrative with which to attack Obama.

      I wonder why they chose 70s style
      pimp and ho for their entrapment exercise?

      • Ray December 27, 2009 at 1:35 pm #

        The question that arises in my mind is how can Alan defend such a blatantly corrupt, tax grubbing neocommunist entity like ACORN?

        Ya, if only the right kind of socialists were in charge with the right kind of incentive structure, then “the structure problems of power, and poverty” would be all fixed. Geez! Talk about useful idiots.  

      • mike hudson December 27, 2009 at 11:28 pm #

        so “all of acorn” doesn’t include dozens of actual members of acorn? gotcha! it’s kind of like i’ve always argued about the mafia, a lot of haters characterize the whole thing as some kind of criminal organization because a few bad apples get themselves in trouble.

    • joeschmidbauer December 27, 2009 at 7:27 pm #


      I agree with you about laws being broken, anymore than the Yes men have broken any, but I think it is pretty clear James O’Keefe and Hannah Giles are part of a paid campaign from the right-wing to discredit Acorn regardless of what those idiots who worked in that Acorn office said or did.

  5. Greg December 27, 2009 at 1:02 pm #

    She’s hot. If they’d use her as the face of the party instead of Palin, THEN maybe I’d switch over!

  6. Eric Saldanha December 27, 2009 at 3:14 pm #

    neocommunist entity”?

    So….registering poor people to vote and, thereby, participate in their nation’s democracy is a communist plot, now? Lenin would be surprised to hear that.

    • Ray December 27, 2009 at 4:05 pm #

      Okedoke Eric, that’s what ACORN’s mission is, “registering poor people to vote”. Go back to sleep now, all is well. ACORN doesn’t have a commie bone in it’s collective body, they’ve never used a single thuggish commie tactic, never attempted bottom-up infiltration or subversion of the political system. Nope, not them, they are the goodness and light of democracy. The Rathke’s never associated or trained with neocommunists, nope not them, they are selfless altruists, never stole a dime of other peoples money, they only care about the poor.

      • joeschmidbauer December 27, 2009 at 7:53 pm #


        I think you have been drinking a little of Glen Beck ‘s conspiracy cool-aide. If anything I wish Acorn was doing all those commie infiltration and subversion of this corrupt corporatist political system at least it would be exciting to see the bankers call out the Pinkertons thugs to beat-up the commie union thugs like the good old days in the1920s and 30s.

        The only thugs I hear about are those Blackwater guys working as hitman for the CIA.
        Also what the hell is neo-communist, a guy Glen Beck said, got went to school with Obama in Chicago and is now working in soup kitchen on the south side. (The masses travel on their stomach. If you feel them, they want more, a second helping is the next step to revolution)

  7. Dave December 27, 2009 at 8:09 pm #

    What I want to know is, did James and Hannah really walk into the ACORN offices dressed like that? Regardless of anyone’s political bent, those two need some serious help if they expected anyone to believe they were professionals in those clothes. Did they get those costumes from the dime store’s Halloween rack?

  8. brad December 27, 2009 at 10:48 pm #

    I know nothing of ACORN. I care so little for ACORN I haven’t even googled them before posting. But here’s all I know: even communists are allowed to vote in the United States of America.

    So, even if ACORN only registers communists, count me among those who do not give a fuck. As long as they are American citizens, they can think and vote as they please.

    • Facts Plz December 28, 2009 at 12:43 am #

      Yes, but preferably if they are not dead, and not cartoon characters.

      • STFU! December 28, 2009 at 11:58 am #

        Those dead people and/or cartoon characters would have to show up at the polling place, on election day, with proper ID, demanding to vote, for those fraudulent registration cards to made any real difference in the election outcome.

        ACORN doesn’t count the votes. Diebold is contracted to do that.

      • Chris from OP December 28, 2009 at 4:47 pm #

        I will repeat the offer I have made before.  If anyone can produce reasonable evidence that Mickey Mouse or any other cartoon character VOTED in an election in the last decade, I will unequivocally agree with every statement you post on this blog for all of 2010.

      • Facts Plz December 28, 2009 at 5:45 pm #

        So, the essential premise of both of your Acorn-apologist statements is that electioneering and voter registration fraud are “victimless crimes” and hence not all that bad?

      • Chris from OP December 29, 2009 at 1:03 pm #

        We’ve had this conversation a dozen times already on this blog.  I’m not sure if I’m getting trolled here or if you really are a new user who hasn’t read these forums– in which case please ignore and excuse any insinuation or mal-intent.  But we’ve covered this, and I for one, no longer have the heart for it.

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