Deep Thought

4 Feb

The American left has a lunatic fringe just as looney as the right’s.

The left, however, keeps its lunatic fringe where it belongs – on the fringe. We don’t turn it into our base.

12 Responses to “Deep Thought”

  1. Jackstraw February 4, 2010 at 8:06 am #

    It’ a good thing too. You can’t have any critisism of Barry on his warmongering, civil rights violations, expansion of government survelience, giving money to wall street, the supposed closing of Guantanamo…that’s all lunatic stuff. You guys have been quite “sane”.

  2. Mark February 4, 2010 at 8:20 am #

    As a member of that left-wing fringe, I can verify that no one cares what I think.

  3. Mike In WNY February 4, 2010 at 10:01 am #

    The left’s lack of understanding of what they consider the right “fringe” will ultimately be the downfall of the left. The focus on birthers, truthers, etc. misses the whole congealing force, Enough is enough and people are fed up with liberal and right wing polices that tax, spend, redistribute, kill the economy, create poverty and assaults freedom, all while ignoring the rights of individuals. The very same set of atrocities brought down the Berlin Wall and eviscerated the Soviet Union. America, and by extension Americans, deserves no less.

  4. Brian Castner February 4, 2010 at 10:11 am #

    Yeah, that’s fair. But I think it has more to do with the size of the “fringe” than a plan by Republicans themselves. Don’t give us too much credit – the parties just go where the votes are.

  5. Ward February 4, 2010 at 10:27 am #

    I suppose one’s take on this depends on one’s own concept of “fringe”. People might agrue that there are a good number of “fringe” idealogues in the inner circle of the current administration, and might refer you to an inventory of Mr. Obama’s “czars” and other appointees.
    I suppose people might also point to certain senators and congresspersons with the “D” designation after their name–and not simply by virtue of their hardball, take no prisoners style of governing.

    • Jackstraw February 4, 2010 at 11:24 am #

      “Fringe” is what people who can’t defend their ideas refer to when they can’t argue for or against. I think another term is called smear…”extremist, nut job, crazy, “. It’s the oldest fallacy in the book. Instead of presenting a view (that’s defendable) or arguing against something just be lazy and call the person some name and pretend that your all that. A few other lazy individuals will agree with you and then you have a “consensus” which some how legitimizes your insulting tag.

  6. joe schmidbauer February 4, 2010 at 12:19 pm #


    What do you mean by left and left fringe? It has been a contention by some political scientists that there is no real political left in American mainstream politics. What is defined as left in the American political spectrum the Democratic party is in reality is centrist-right party with the Kucinich liberals being a minor centrist-left wing at best. The republican party which defined as right in the same spectrum is in reality is a extreme right-wing (Neo-liberal) with the religious and Palin wing being Neo-Fascists. It is a irony that the two major corrupt right-wing political parties in Mexico, The PRI and PAN are officially to the left of the Democratic Party.
    The left “fringe” (aka Social Democratic, greens, Socialist, liberal-left) are considered mainstream in must of the world. It is very frustrating to read these blogs because is seems folks do not have a handle on the basic political differences and concepts.

    The only socialism that the Obama has been committed to is the socialization of the losses of big business and the Banks on Walls Street and socialization of the cost of the endless wars.

    • Alan Bedenko February 4, 2010 at 1:51 pm #

      It was hard to find your question in there.

      To me, left fringe is Earth Firsters who chain themselves to trees, bandanna-clad teens hurling molotov cocktails at cops for sport at G20 summits, hardcore Marxists of any stripe, including Leninists, Maoists, Stalinists, Bolivarians, and the like. Angela Davis and Gus Hall were never courted or feted by the Democratic Party.

      • joe schmidbauer February 4, 2010 at 4:26 pm #

        OK! great, I got it, but a few questions: what are hardcore Marxists and Bolivarians? Marxists into porn, that would at least make them less dull and boring and flat headed. (The irony is that just about every English prof, I meet is a low-rent critical theorist- and just about every economist trained outside of the U.S. is either a Neo-classic (Marxist) or critical theorist of some form or other.)

        And what is a Bolivarians? I’m not being sarcastic. Are you referring to my dearest EVA Morales of Bolivia and big bad Hugo

        As for Old Gus and U.S.A. C.P. being fringe.
        A little history: before the psycho spit, between mad-dog Trotsky and Sicko Stalin and the Hitler-Stalin love-agreement of 1940, the U.S.A.C.P. was courted through the backroom by FDR admin. A good number of his folks came from U.S.A.C.P.and associated organizations or were very friendly including Eleanor herself and Felix Frankfurter ( a member in his youth). Case in appoint: V.P. Henry Wallace was a socialist- a great part of the New Deal came out of the old U.S.A.C.P. playbook. (McCarthy was right there were commies everywhere as well as socialist, pinkos, follow-travelers,fags, etc, etc,)

        As for the earth-firsters, politically are they lefts wing-anarchist- or right-wing libertarian anarcho-survivalists. your guess is as good as mine.

        finally, when must people talk about the political spectrum- they are operating on stereo-typical models that the mainstream media has created. I am not directing this at you, but must blogs that I read have become an N/O (shit in/shit-out) process reflecting that. There is very little thought about the assumptions created by the media let alone challenging them. There is little understanding of the depth of the harsh reality confronting this world. Beck and the tea party folks are a case in appoint.

  7. BrianS February 4, 2010 at 7:56 pm #

    What I find particularly annoying is that the left aknowledges they have a lunatic fringe, while most of the right does not. Just as many on the left will give credit where credit is due on the right, while the right is so bent that they can rarely bring themselves to give any credit to the left FOR ANYTHING.


  8. Jon Splett February 5, 2010 at 1:08 am #

    Yep, way to keep those fringy loons out of your party.

    Wouldn’t want people pushing for that crazy single payer health care those radicals all seem to want.

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