It Must Be August #Paladino #NYGov #Park51

23 Aug

Late last week, this happened:

Paladino has criticized New York’s rich menu of social service benefits, which he says encourages illegal immigrants and needy people to live in the state. He has promised a 20 percent reduction in the state budget and a 10 percent income tax cut if elected.

Asked at the meeting how he would achieve those savings, Paladino laid out several plans that included converting underused state prisons into centers that would house welfare recipients. There, they would do work for the state — “military service, in some cases park service, in other cases public works service,” he said — while prison guards would be retrained to work as counselors.

“Instead of handing out the welfare checks, we’ll teach people how to earn their check. We’ll teach them personal hygiene … the personal things they don’t get when they come from dysfunctional homes,” Paladino said.

…and this:

Paladino told The Associated Press the dormitory living would be voluntary, not mandatory, and would give welfare recipients an opportunity to take public, state-sponsored jobs far from home.

“These are beautiful properties with basketball courts, bathroom facilities, toilet facilities. Many young people would love to get the hell out of cities,” Paladino he said.

He also defended his hygiene remarks, saying he had trained inner-city troops in the Army and knows their needs.

“You have to teach them basic things — taking care of themselves, physical fitness. In their dysfunctional environment, they never learned these things,” he said

Under normal circumstances, a traditional candidate for governor of the state of New York would have been long ago disqualified from serving, and his campaign would be in tatters. But because Paladino is a self-funded millionaire, the resources are available to him to say and do utterly ridiculous things and continue to plow ahead.

Like when he called Governor Paterson a “drug addict“, Paladino will neither apologize nor walk back his outrageous and offensive mouthshits. He will instead double down on them, patting himself on the back for not being “politically correct”. Regrettably, literally hundreds of people around the state will be pleased by his defamatory “tough talk”.

The Paladino campaign has succeeded in gaining attention and some traction in the polls, but in so doing Carl has made headlines for sheer idiocy. Whether it was sending out racist & pornographic emails, calling the Governor a “drug addict”, trying to out-pogrom Rick Lazio on the Park51 community center in lower Manhattan, and now this – labor camps for the poors.

And I don’t throw around the term “pogrom” loosely.

A protest against the Park51 project (and Sharia law, and Islam in general) was held in lower Manhattan yesterday, and during it, an African-American carpenter who works on the Ground Zero construction project had the misfortune of walking by the protest wearing a white shirt and white do-rag. Some in the energized crowd mistook him for a Muslim, and he came within inches of being an assault & battery victim.

When people like Carl Paladino, who are unmistakably but inexplicably taken seriously as political candidates say that the Park51 center is a “monument to those who attacked our country” on 9/11, that’s calling every single Muslim a terrorist.


When you put together the entire equation of what’s happening in that video, including the background lies and hatemongering that have whipped that crowd into that frenzy, this is no different from a contemporary anti-Muslim pogrom. It’s not about 9/11 or insulting the memories of those who perished on that day. Contrary to the bigots’ assertions, this isn’t some “victory mosque” or a coded project to force Americans to submit to Sharia Law. This is, quite frankly, what leads to a Kristallnacht or crosses burning on a lawn. That’s not to say that there are honest people who are genuinely offended by the idea of a mosque. But when you have a frenzied mob aggressively accost an innocent passerby because they think (incorrectly) that he’s Muslim, that goes far beyond the pale.

When Carl goes on about jamming the poors into a decommissioned jail so’s they can get their work on in various parts of the state as a sort of nouveau Civilian Conservation Corps, you have a bunch of interesting stuff going on.

Usually, tea party Republican candidates don’t tout modern-day versions of New Deal government jobs. We can make Carl’s CCC stand for “Carl’s Camps of Couth”. The notion that poor people, or people on government assistance can’t keep themselves clean is offensive on its face and needs no further comment. But, like Carl’s platform plank where he would require welfare recipients to be residents of New York State for a year before receiving benefits, he is uninformed about the law. A residency requirement is not legal. Carl’s assumption that welfare queens sit around having kids all day while smellily watching Maury is based on a pre-1996 vision of government assistance.

It’s a shame that these are the issues we’re discussing when it comes to New York and its dysfunctional government. The word for all of this is “laughingstock“.

33 Responses to “It Must Be August #Paladino #NYGov #Park51”

  1. Ward August 23, 2010 at 12:18 pm #

    Interesting–according to today’s New York Law Journal, every one of the Democrats running for Attorney General has stated that he/she would investigate the sources of funding for the Ground Zero Mosque.

    Unlike the current Attorney General, Andrew Cuomo, who is apparently running against Carl Paladino for Governor.

  2. Stan P August 23, 2010 at 12:26 pm #

    “Camps” have been done before, starting in NY, with the Civilian Consevation Corps
    It was quite successful, but funding was dropped at the outbreak of WWII.

  3. joker August 23, 2010 at 12:49 pm #

    paladino will beat lazio as the gop’s gubernatorial candidate. there are enough new yorkers who are so fed up with the way things are that they’re willing to support a crazy man over a traditional politician. it’s not paladino’s money that’s buying him all the attention, it’s the fact that he is certifiably crazy.

  4. Tom Dolina August 23, 2010 at 12:50 pm #

    Since you can also spell Carl with a “K”, his organization could be known as “Karl’s Kamps of Kouth”. But perhaps that is too long. KKK, perhaps?!

  5. Hank August 23, 2010 at 1:55 pm #

    “monument to those who attacked our country” on 9/11, that’s calling every single Muslim a terrorist” Nah. It’s calling every terrorist who attacked the US on 9/11 a Muslim.
    And that is correct. Alan’s version is the touchy-feeling tolerant eliteness of the liberal. Carl’s is just the facts.

    • Art Ziller August 23, 2010 at 3:01 pm #

      But for Muslim allies in Iraq and Afghanistan tens of thousands more American troops would be required. We have been able to recruit these people because wiser heads prevailed and insisted this is not a war against Islam. I would suggest that those who undermine the American military in its efforts to recruit local allies do the bidding of the terrorists. Osama Bin Laden must be thrilled to see this hostility to Islam… what a recruiting godsend. He, no doubt, bows his head in thanks to Paladino and his ilk.

    • Jazzz August 23, 2010 at 8:06 pm #

      Hank says

      “monument to those who attacked our country” on 9/11, that’s calling every single Muslim a terrorist” Nah. It’s calling every terrorist who attacked the US on 9/11 a Muslim.

      Well, very terrorist that attacked Oklahoma City was a christian……..

      • Hank August 24, 2010 at 10:04 am #

        Well, Since no white supremacist group or militia is proposing a center or monument to Tim Mc Veigh, your comment isn’t worth wiping one’s anus with. You Get a D for the attempt though

      • Chris in EA August 25, 2010 at 10:03 am #

        Well since no terrorist group is proposing a monument near ground zero, you lose. F for the attempt.

      • Jazzz August 26, 2010 at 12:41 pm #

        Hmmmm, how to point out flawed logic by doofuses…..

        1. The proposed Mosque is not at Ground Zero but within 1/2 mile.

      • Jazzz August 26, 2010 at 12:47 pm #

        2. There are over half a dozen Christian Churches with 1/2 mile of the Federal Building in Oklahoma City
        3. Doesn’t matter what denomination or who founded them, they were founded by Christians, just as the founders of the proposed Mosque are Muslim.
        4. Just because the Churches or Mosques are founded by Christians and Muslims respectively, does not mean they are founded by terrorists.
        5 Muslims and Christians are not terrorists because they are Muslim or Christian…..but just because they are terrorists. I would hazard to guest the world has seen more Christian terrorists than Muslim. Shall we start w/ Hitler and The Spanish Inquisition?

  6. Hank August 23, 2010 at 3:46 pm #

    @Art—-It’s merely a question of good taste and a chance for Islam to show how tolerant of others they actually are. Bottom line—-All terrorists are NOT Muslims. There are terrorists of many stripes. The Terrorists who attacked the United States were all Muslims. The Taliban are Muslims. The Wahabbists who practice female circumcision and honor killing of women are Muslims. Osama Bin Laden and his Al-Queda cells are composed of Muslims. What’s a non-muslim to think?

    • Art Ziller August 23, 2010 at 4:01 pm #

      Read some of the things that the imam of the park 51 center. He spoke at the service for Daniel Pearl.. he is a good guy.. a very very moderate muslim who goes on trips for the us state dept etc.. . we.. the USA… can continue to use our open tolerant pluralistic society as the most potent recruitment tool the world has ever seen or.. fall into a trap of our own making… we should insist they build the center .. brandish it ..put it on al jazeera.. this is who WE are!

    • Chris in EA August 23, 2010 at 4:04 pm #

      @Hank– Huh? This is America, speak English or get out.

      • Hank August 24, 2010 at 10:09 am #

        Perhaps you should bring your insights down here to North Carolina, and see how you fare. Hope you enjoy a good ass-whoopin’—getting one, not watching one. The elitist attiudes of NY liberals don’t cut it here.

    • STEEL August 23, 2010 at 4:09 pm #

      Interesting, You make up a list of Muslim extremist groups from third world countries but show no link to this Muslim group. I think a non Muslim in America should think that that bigotry is a stupid waste of time and that he should not concern himself with how other Americans (who are minding their own business) chose to worship.

      Of course we do know that most right wingers don’t really believe in the freedom to worship as one chooses that is given to us by our constitution and defended with the lives of our soldiers

      • Ward August 23, 2010 at 5:10 pm #

        It’s too bad that Steel’s zeal for Ground Zero houses of worship does not extend to St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church, whose people have been frustrated by the Port Authority in their attempt to rebuild after the “man-made disaster” of 9/11.
        One wonders if our soldiers also died to ensure St. Nicholas’s “right to worship”, in Steel’s version of history. But, of course, most soldiers are “right wingers”, who “don’t really believe in the freedom to worship as one chooses”, so–never mind.

      • Hank August 24, 2010 at 10:15 am #

        Steel, pull your body out of the corruption of IL Democratic Politics and get a whiff of fresh air.
        WHEN THE MONEY IS COLLECTED, it will very likely show all of these “THIRD WORLD GROUPS” who already support the idea, will support it financially.
        As John Wayne once said: You have the right to talk and say what you want, but not around me”. And that’s what the opposition is saying. Get off the left wing platitudes of religious tolerance. Islam is the least tolerant form of worship on the planet. And it’s not that anyone opposes the building of another mosque in NYC, JUST WHERE THEY WANT TO PUT IT. All you lefties support it because in your diseased minds, that puts you on a higher intellectual and moral strata. Which is odd because many of the people who support it don’t believe in God at all, or at least don’t believe in organized religion. I can get all this translated to Arabic if you choose, with your attitude it may become your first language.

  7. Christopher Smith August 23, 2010 at 6:14 pm #

    For the unwashed and uninformed, the Muslims who seek to build a community center in NY, are Sufi Muslims. Hank, why don’t you put down your graphic novelization of “Right Wing Platitudes For Hillbilly Chickenhawk Simpletons” and read up on Sufism.

    All of this right wing hate and fear mongering is so incredibly fucking insipid, I can’t believe we’re even indulging the topic.

    • Hank August 24, 2010 at 10:21 am #

      Oh sure, Chris—-Islam is SOOOO Charismatic. I’m a practicing Catholic, and all I know about Islam is what the Regime’s media outlets show on TV—Honor Killings, women being stoned to death, women not allowed an education, subjugated in arranged marriages, you know, all the GOOD STUFF about Islam. Give me a break. Once you convert to Islam yourself, then preach.

      • Alan Bedenko August 24, 2010 at 10:40 am #

        If Islam is by definition and universally so bad and oppressive, as you claim, Hank, then why have thousands of American servicemen been sacrificed to ensure that Muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq can continue to have a horribly oppressed life under Sharia Law, free to stone women, etc.?  Seems rather counterproductive, since all Muslims are, based on your twisted logic, guilty by association for 9/11. 

  8. al l August 23, 2010 at 8:55 pm #

    seems like public works by defacto government employees is an odd way to express opposition to big government.

  9. Gabe August 23, 2010 at 10:48 pm #

    So, Carl wants to bust out the Gulag….funny coming from a guy always throwing around that SOCIALISM accusation against just about anything he dislikes.

  10. BobbyCat August 24, 2010 at 9:32 am #

    The CCC Camps gave work to men who needed it. It was grunt work, sure, but I was always told that ANY work was appreciated that could help feed a man’s family. Stud Terkel’s classic “Hard Times” is composed of one-page vignettes by those who lived through the Great Depression. Men didn’t mind living in GI-type barracks while building roads through a forest or building a dam in the Tennessee Valley. When people are desperate for work they will endure (and even appreciate) a CCC camp. But are we at that point yet?

    Regardless, Carl Paladino has lost all credibility. Anything he says about ‘welfare people’ is colored by shades of racist rhetoric. So too, the people who support him. I think that the core of these dispirit tea party factions – the unifying factor – is racial animosity. Even if the CCC Corps. was a viable idea, Paladino is the wrong messenger. And sending welfare recipients away to prison buildings is an astonishingly stupid idea. For perspective, talk to those Japanese-Americans who were “relocated” to internment camps in California during WWII. . I think they will have something to say about ol Carl’s ideas.

  11. Alan Bedenko August 24, 2010 at 10:42 am #

    The CCC as a tea party platform plank is beyond hilarious. 

    • Ward August 24, 2010 at 10:53 am #

      Not as hilarious, however, as the “War on Poverty”, whose success was inversely proportional to the money thrown at it.

      Unless, of course, the object was to create a self-perpetuating welfare clientele–in which case it had a pretty good run, to standing-room-only audiences.

      • BobbyCat August 24, 2010 at 11:43 am #

        Suggesting that bloggers be less cynical is like tilting at windmills. Nevertheless, The War on Poverty was the brainchild of President Lyndon Johnson. Whatever you think of Johnson and his “VeetNam” legacy, he sincerely wanted to help the nation escape poverty, especially his black and poor white neighbors. It was no political plot. Johnson’s anti-poverty plan was as real as he was. Maybe it wasn’t perfect and Johnson threw too much money at the problem like Mario Cuomo threw too much money at teachers and bankrupted the State. But both their motives were pure, unlike later day GOP leaders who are preaching populism while protecting their corrupt benefactors on Wall Street and elsewhere. Or maybe you believe that Carl Paladio really cares about those unwashed welfare people.

      • Ward August 24, 2010 at 11:59 am #

        It is possible for social programs to be misguided, as opposed to cynical in motivation. Lyndon Johnson’s were primarily the former, but I suspect not entirely. (I remember him as a competing candidate to JFK, and before that, an influence buyer and peddler as Majority Leader.).

        Buying peoples’ votes with other peoples’ money is not a new idea. To ascribe “pure” motives to such actors is just the teeniest bit naive–or historically ill-informed–don’t you think?

  12. Rob August 24, 2010 at 12:13 pm #

    The child poverty rate decreased from 27% to 14% between 1959 and 1973, the rate for the elderly declined from 35% (!) to 15% during the same period. Just because moronic wingnuts think the War on Poverty was a failure doesn’t make it true.

    • BobbyCat August 24, 2010 at 2:22 pm #

      Yup. “Pure” is not a word normally applied to any pols. I thought about that after it was posted. Their motives were “good”. Johnson was deeply concerned about the poor and Cuomo just as concerned with advancing education. Throwing money at a problem is the classic liberal blunder, lessons hard-learned from the 60ies. But knowingly throwing money at the rich, a/k/a the Bush Tax Cuts, is still being justified by Mitch, Boehner, and the Gang that Couldn’t Shoot Straight. Of course they no longer try to justify it. (see McConnell try slip the question, 5x, Sunday on Meet the Press. The Dems have made historic blunders, its true, while the GOP leaders are openly corrupt, no justifications given.

  13. Rob August 24, 2010 at 3:25 pm #

    I guess the Pentagon and its Washington employees aren’t as sensitive as Charles Krauthammer, Hugh Hewitt and the other “hallowed ground” types.

  14. BobbyCat August 25, 2010 at 10:05 am #

    From this mornings papers, a confluence of ideas:

    This morning, Times columnist Tom Friedman told a morning show audience that “Americans can be as stupid as we want to be”. He cited many examples but the gist of it is that we are wasting our time arguing about stupid things while our country is burning down. And where, pray tell. are some of the stupidest things being said and done? Hmmmmm.

    Buffalo ranks first on a list of “America’s Ten Dead Cities,” based on Census data and a MIT report on the country’s “Forgotten Cities,” according to the piece by Douglas McIntyre. Maybe Buffalo ranks 1st because we keep shooting ourself in the foot, saying and doing stupid things. The Buffalo News the story a headline but the link is broken (error 404) and you need to read the story elsewhere. Eeeeeeee!

    Meanwhile Carl Paladino continues to nab headlines and generate shame by saying stupid things like housing welfare recipiences in old prisons, then wrapping himself in bravado by saying he’s not afraid to answer controversial questions. That’s great, Carl, wonderful. . But each controversial statement puts Buffalo in a deeper hole. The rest of the nation is saying “If this is their guy they are pushing as Governor, how stupid can they be in Buffalo?”.

    Another story tell us that it’s against the law to smoke in any Erie County Park. Great, another stupid nanny law to protect us from ourselves courtesty of Mr. Biloni and other do-gooders. Thats 2 in 2 days. Yesterday somebody suggested that mass killings could be avoided if bars closed earlier. Eeeeeeeee! Are there no smart leaders with smart ideas in Buffalo?

    Do you think there might be a nexus between Buffalo’s number 1 ranking of dead cities and the stupid things we say and do? As POGO said, ” We have met the enemy and he is us.”


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