NOM Targets Grisanti, Voters Think Differently

15 Aug

An extremist religious political sect, which misleadingly calls itself the “National Organization for Marriage“, is sending out lying mailings to voters in the 60th state Senate district. Apart from containing hatred and lies, the mailers ask people to send ready-made postcards to Senator Mark Grisanti, threatening to punish him at the polls for his vote to legalize same-sex marriage.

Some voters in the overwhelmingly Democratic district are choosing instead to send modified versions of NOM’s postcard to Senator Grisanti. This appeared in my Facebook feed on Saturday:

28 Responses to “NOM Targets Grisanti, Voters Think Differently”

  1. RaChaCha August 15, 2011 at 9:08 am #

    If you like NOM, then you’ll really love the “locals” involved in this issue. One of the local anti-SSM organizers, quoted in the Buffalo News, is a disgraced (stealing from his congregation, which subsequently closed) minister who now does wedding chapel weddings in the Falls. Oh, no, we can let teh gays get married — but hetero folks are welcome to show up between the hours of 9 to 4 (longer on weekends!) at my chapel with Elvis impersonator in tow and we’ll get ya hitch’d.

    The state-level organization is co-led by Duane Motley, who was a founder of a suburban mega-church in the Rochester area that borders on a cult. Ya know, King James Bible is the only revealed word of God, none of that eevo-looshun nonsense, throw out your Beatles CD’s, women submit to your husbands (even if that means having a half-dozen kids), and home-skool them kids with our certified sekyoolir-hoomanizm-free curriculum (or better yet shell out bux to send them to the church skool). Even opened their own “Bible college” cuz all the seminaries had advanced past the 18th Century. Yet they’re so politically active that candidates — D, R, and other — are afraid to NOT show up for their annual candidate forum.

    Grisanti is only too lucky to have nutz like theez goin’ after him.

  2. Ray August 15, 2011 at 9:42 am #

    For the convenience of my Facebook readers, I photoshopped the name and city out of the reply card. Can you post the address to return it to?

  3. Ray August 15, 2011 at 9:44 am #

    Grrrr. Gorram Bookface. Here. Try this one:

  4. Rob August 15, 2011 at 9:49 am #

  5. Rob August 15, 2011 at 9:50 am #

    Ha! Don’t try this at home.

  6. Grisanti Constituent August 15, 2011 at 10:02 am #

    Mr Grisanti only voted that way because he knew he couldn’t get reelected again without all the crazy Paladino supporters next time around. When there is an election for Governor the turnout is better and Paladino pulled in all the angry 40+ white guys last time around. Without them Mr Grisanti needs progressives (like me) so he voted for gay marriage.

    He’ll also be voting for all sorts of pro-business BS such as hydro-fracking to make up to his GOP pals. He went back on his promise to support independent redistricting.

    Mr Grisanti is a shmuck. You’re fooling yourself if you believe differently

  7. Ethan August 15, 2011 at 11:33 am #

    @6: all that can be true and it is still worthwhile to tell him you support that vote (and while you’re at it, if you’re feeling it, that you do not support the other votes for that matter).  I don’t think this post over-glorifies Grisanti; it’s more about the asshats at NOM spending their postage money to send him cards of support, which is excellent pranking in my book.

  8. RaChaCha August 15, 2011 at 12:43 pm #

    He’ll also be voting for all sorts of pro-business BS such as hydro-fracking to make up to his GOP pals.

    Perhaps not, #6:

    The chairs of the state Senate and Assembly Environmental Conservation Committees want a 180-day comment period for the state’s environmental review of hydraulic fracturing.

    The comment period is supposed to start this month, and Department of Environmental Conservation Commissioner Joe Martens has said it’ll last 60 days. But Democrat Robert Sweeney, who chairs the Assembly environmental committee, and Republican Mark Grisanti, who chairs the Senate environmental committee, want a longer window.

    Grisanti and Sweeney were among a handful of legislators quoted in a press release sent out by Citizens Campaign for the Environment.

    http://www.rochestercitynewspaper.com/news/blog/2011/08/Legislators-want-to-extend-fracking-comment-period/

  9. wolfpack August 15, 2011 at 4:17 pm #

    Grizanti is an excellent Senator and needs to be reeleted. He did not reach his Peter principle level as Antoine did, and he is thoughtful and remembers how he votes.

  10. Kevin Hayes August 15, 2011 at 5:08 pm #

    I know very little about Mark Grisanti, and for all I know he’s a schmuck and a corporate today, but it’s so rare for a politician to make a nuanced decision about an issue such as marriage equality that he’s earned my support, at least for now. And then there’s the relief that Antoine is no longer my Senator. Don’t get me started on the uselessness of the Senate, period.

    Grisanti said his Roman Catholic beliefs (and presumably orders from the parish priest) told him gay marriage was not OK, but his civic and legal beliefs and legal training told him that separation of Church and State required him make a decision based on civil law (you know, the Constitution) and required him to vote to extend a common civil right to another class of people.

    And I certainly enjoy using NOM’s hateful, dishonest and expensive mailer to send a message.

  11. Kevin Hayes August 15, 2011 at 5:14 pm #

    Perhaps the most harmful thing NOM favors is to put civil rights up for a vote. If a majority feels you don’t deserve a certain right, you’re SOL. Clearly they don’t fear that someday we may decide religious wackos of their type should be banned.

    Their mailer is full of complaints about how Grisanti took their money (interesting) and failed to vote their way. Didn’t stay bought? The last person I heard say that was Carl Paladino in reference to Robert Quintana. I had no sympathy for that, either.

    I’d much rather have a representative who changed his or her mind based on the facts in front of them. When they take the time to do research and consult with advisors, that’s even better.

  12. jimd August 15, 2011 at 5:17 pm #

    Congratulations to the voters of the 60th

  13. Grisanti Constituent August 15, 2011 at 5:44 pm #

    @RaChaCha: Ever hear of the “No-Business Meeting” ? John Kenneth Galbraith wrote about it in his book “The Great Crash.”

    “He [Hoover] was also conducting one of the oldest, most important — and, unhappily, one of the least understood — rites in American life. This is the rite of the meeting which is called not to do business but to do no business. It is a rite which is still much practiced in our time.”

    “Men meet together for many reason in the course of business. They need to instruct or persuade each other. They must agree on a course of action, They find thinking in public more productive or less painful than thinking in private. But there at least as many reasons for meetings to transact no business. Meeting are held because men seek companionship or, at a minimum, wish to escape the tedium of solitary duties. They yearn for the prestige which accrues to the man who presides over meetings, and this leads them to convoke assemblages over which they can preside. Finally, there is the meeting which is called not because there is business to be done, but because it is necessary to create the impression that business is being done. Such meetings are more than a substitute for action. They are widely regarded as action.”

  14. RaChaCha August 15, 2011 at 6:02 pm #

    @Constituent Great stuff — I’m a JKG fan myself. Not sure how this will play out, but the extra time will be welcome to those who are organizing on the issue. When it came out earlier this year that the DEC wanted to put this on a faster track, that caught a lot of folks off guard.

  15. Grisanti Constituent August 15, 2011 at 6:26 pm #

    @Wolfpack: this has nothing to do with Mr Thompson — it’s all about Mr Grisanti. It seems like those that didn’t like Mr Thompson will now settle for any old Senator who will blow with the wind and do the math.

    Mr Grisanti isn’t even able to get the grass cut on the state parkways — Mr Thompson did.
    Mr Grisanti made all kinds of poo about Mr Thompson sending campaign lit as state mail — Mr Grisanti is sending letters to constituents on the state nickel. I’ve received three.

    Yup — a real BOBU Mr Grisanti turned out to be…

  16. Kevin J. August 15, 2011 at 8:17 pm #

    Then-State Senator Thompson got the grass cut on state parkways? Really? Unless you have a photo of him riding a mower, that’s preposterous.

  17. bill August 15, 2011 at 9:27 pm #

    I wonder if Senator Grisanti had pledged to vote yes on gay marriage and then after the same careful reflection and soul searching realized he must change his vote. Would folks still celebrate his “open mindedness” and “nuance”? 

    Just admit that you like that he voted for something you agree with and leave all the bullshit about “voting conscience” out of it

  18. Grisanti Constituent August 15, 2011 at 10:12 pm #

    @Kevin J: Funny you mention that because the idea to get him to do a photo-op on a tractor was raised when he secured the funds to mow the grass. You ought to be a campaign manager bro — maybe Ms Corwin has a future afterall.

    Grisanti = Shmuck
    NOM = Poop

  19. MJC August 16, 2011 at 9:11 am #

    It must suck being an Antoine Thompson sycophant.

  20. Leo Wilson August 16, 2011 at 10:52 am #

    While I advocated for a different answer, I’m pretty glad that equality won the day on SSM. Equal rights, equal opportunity, these are American traditions worth holding fast to.

    Did Grisanti betray his constituents? We’ll know at election time.

  21. Hank August 16, 2011 at 4:13 pm #

    Being a practicing Catholic, I’m not much for “Megachurches” no matter who’s running the show. Even if he’s as squeaky clean as Joel Osteen. Most all of them are involved in the Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker practice of “The God Con”, or as Hank JR once sang “Send your money to the Lord, but he gives you HIS address”. Just goes to show you the masses of people on the fringe, not only in the Bible Belt but also in NYS.

    I thought this was cool

    “women submit to your husbands (even if that means having a half-dozen kids)” This really shows the liberal progressive mindset. Procreation is the intent that God gave to sexual relations between married couples. Not ” do it as often as you want because it feels good”. So if you have “a half dozen kids”, it’s because you WANTED them, and hopefully can afford to raise them. What you knuckleheads call “Gay Marriage” is trying to impose man’s viewpoint on God’s institution. Might make you feel good, but it’s illogical. Grisanti did, I take it, campaign on being against this secular attempt to legitimize deviant behavior, then changed his mind. Certainly his right to do, and he exercised his free will by doing it. Guess he’s just like Pelosi and Kerry, Catholic in Name Only. You cannot be pro-abortion and be a Catholic. Neither can you be for suborning the sacrament of Holy Matrimony and be a Catholic. But since most liberals are either agnostic or athiesitc heathens, it certainly would make no difference to any of you.

  22. Kevin J. August 16, 2011 at 6:08 pm #

    Wow, Hank; once again, your stupidity and Cro-Magnon mentality are an accomplishment of some kind.

    Journalists lie every day? Right; there would be an endless number of libel cases if this was so, and very few people would speak with the media. And if it is true, I bet you can cite an extensive number of cases, not one or two.

    And don’t ever, EVER think you know or can determine if I am a Catholic; that is up to God to determine, and not people, at least if you are an actual, practicing Catholic. Only humans establish these mindless litmus tests.

    And if you believe that Catholics have exactly the number of children they want, never had an unwanted pregnancy and never, ever had sex for simple, physical and emotional enjoyment, then you have opened a new avenue of stupidity to inhabit.

  23. Grisanti Constituent August 17, 2011 at 4:19 pm #

    I was against Mr Thompson when I saw and read the news coverage of him. He’s not very camera ready and, being a liberal, was made to look like a fool. The News is doing the same thing to WNYMEDIA now. The News gives thier team breaks. For example, they said Mr Thompson collected some $5k from racing interests and relentlessly portrayed him negatively in the News, It turned out that Mr Thompson got $3500 or so. But the News also reported once that Mr Jeremy Jocobs and his spouse (who live in a “manor house”) gave $50,000 each to Mr Cuomo. My god, that is magnitudes worse than what Mr Thompson received so once would think the News would go after industrial scion Jacobs ten to twenty times as hard.
    Not a chance. Instead they kept up the character assasination against Mr Thompson, built up Mr Grisanti as the messiah, and editorialized that the State Senate should be controlled by the GOP.
    As I said above, I was convinced that Mr Thompson was a goof until I looked at the facts. That’s what interests me — truth. And when I looked at the actual record it was pretty scary to the GOP establishment and the News knew what to do. But this is all ancient history. Now it’s up to Mr Grisanti and we now can measure the man and track his words and deeds.
    Mr Grisanti can get his picture taken mowing the parkway. We can get him some overalls and a straw hat.
    It will be like my cousin Vinny. He can bring Joel Giambra too

  24. Hank August 17, 2011 at 5:41 pm #

    @ Kevin J
    CHECK WITH THE VATICAN, NUMBNUTS! Apparently you don’t know much about your faith. If you think you’re a Catholic, but you think homosexual marriage is acceptable and you use contraception, and if you’ve ever paid for or facilitated an abortion, THE VATICAN or your local Bishop will be happy to tell you you’re in a state of grave sin, and if you’re taking Communion, you’re committing a sin of sacrlilige every time you do. Don’t believe me, ask your priest. Since I’m studying to be a Permanent Deacon, I think I would know a LOT more about it than you —–Wanna make a bet?

    • Christopher Smith August 17, 2011 at 5:52 pm #

      Yeah, Kevin. The invisible man in the sky is VERY angry with you.

      • Alan Bedenko August 17, 2011 at 6:09 pm #

        So is the Nazi pedophile enabler who
        wears a funny hat.

  25. Grisanti Constituent August 17, 2011 at 9:45 pm #

    The third Jesus trumps the second Jesus.
    Jesus one: the man himself;
    Jesus two: intermediaries like the church (I’m a “Catholic” by the way); and the third jesus: your relationship with jesus.
    Jesus was a liberal, a socialist, and would not have given a damn about gay marriage or else he wouldn’t be “married” to so many men of the cloth.
    Hank — try Love. It’s OK man — you’re with friends

  26. Kevin J. August 18, 2011 at 12:51 am #

    Interesting, Hank; you didn’t mention Jesus or God, just humans and institutions who have prostituted religion, faith and caring for their fellow people and used Catholicism to control people.

    Also, good work on respecting others, treating people as you want them to treat you, judging others and believing you know what God meant and can make decisions in his stead, also sometimes known as blasphemy, numb nut.

    Fucking moron; it must be tough to be the dumbest and least respected person in every room you enter.

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