Comic Relief

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  1. Allen Miller September 22, 2011 at 2:25 pm #

    That about sums it up

  2. Jesse September 22, 2011 at 2:44 pm #

    I’m surprised there’s no obvious mention of Georgia killing off another citizen.  Times like these make me happy I live here.

  3. Allen Miller September 22, 2011 at 9:07 pm #

    Jesse

    I am surprised you forgot to mention Texas has killed off one of its citizens as well. Are you ok with James Brewer? Interesting two executions two different reactions.

  4. Jesse September 23, 2011 at 9:04 am #

    Hi Allen.  Bite me.  All state-sponsored killings are morally wrong and must be ended, period.

    We have this little chunk of barbarism still hanging around.  It’s disgusting.

  5. Eric Saldanha September 23, 2011 at 11:30 am #

    @Allen – as Jesse said, the application of the death penalty is wrong in all cases. The difference in Troy Davis’ case is that it is very likely that an innocent man was put to death.

    The family of James Byrd (Brewer’s victim) forgave him, opposed his execution and prayed for him on the day he died. If they can do it, so can we.

  6. Allen Miller September 23, 2011 at 4:28 pm #

    @Eric

    Could not agree more, I disapprove of the death penalty even for the guilty people. I did not say I approved of the death penalty, I questioned Jesse why he chose to only mention Troy Davis. Who knows maybe he was not aware of Jesse Brewer. Once again your have a preconceived notion of what I think without facts. That is prejudice.

    @Jesse
    I doubt you taste good enough to bite, so if you don’t mind I will stick with my current diet.

    It is interesting that on the same day there were two state sponsored killings of its citizens with two very much different responses by our civil society. Troy Davis went to his death denying the crime. I do not know the details but I believe Davis. I really think that an innocent person was executed. The other execution was of a person who was a committed racist hater with little doubt of his guilt. At his death he chose to say nothing, no “I am sorry”, no “I did not do it”. He could have at least told his executioner to “bite him”. That would have made huge headlines unlike Jesse’s comment to me.

    Interesting because Jesse and many others who oppose the death penalty brought up Troy Davis, but do not to mention James Brewer.

  7. Allen Miller September 23, 2011 at 4:37 pm #

    Note: My error in referring to Lawrence Russell Brewer as James Brewer or Jesse Brewer. Apologies to Jesse. Maybe Jesse was angry at me for the error and that’s why he wants to get bitten???

  8. Allen Miller September 23, 2011 at 5:40 pm #

    @Eric

    I noted that the Byrd family prayed for Brewer. They said they forgave him. That was decent Christian principals. However I do remember during the 2000 election James Byrds daughter chose to make her fathers tragic death a political statement because George Bush was opposed to hate crimes legislation. Bushes logic was they sentenced the guy to death (which by the way in Texas a Governor can not pardon or set aside an execution) How much more could they do to the guy?

    Bush prayed for the soul of James Byrd and asked the lord to have mercy on his soul, interesting that the Byrd family could forgive Brewer but not Bush?

  9. Eric Saldanha September 23, 2011 at 7:22 pm #

    Allen:

    Now you’re just being too cute by half. What is the point of introducing Lawrence Brewer into a discussion (initiated by Jesse) about Troy Davis if not to compare the relative coverage of their executions, and, in not exactly in a subtle way, introduce the race of each condemnned man as a relevant point? Are you trying to say there are thousands of Lawrence Brewers on Death Rows across the nation? Newsflash – there aren’t.

    Two men were unjustly murdered by their respective states on Wednesday night…that’s where the similarities end.

    And, also, too….George Bush doesn’t care about black people.

  10. Eric Saldanha September 23, 2011 at 7:25 pm #

    sorry….second link should go here

  11. Allen Miller September 23, 2011 at 10:23 pm #

    Eric:

    Good observation, first “let me be perfectly clear” (to quote President Obama) I am opposed to the death penalty regardless of who it is being applied to for whatever reason.

    With the situation of the two incidents this week I saw uneven coverage in the media for two terrible situations, I was also was hearing over and over from people opposed to the death penalty that they thought it was bad in the Davis case, buuuttttt they could understand and agree to it the the Brewer case. When Jesse noted that Davis was put to death and no mention of Brewer, I wanted to know what he thought about Brewer. Was he a death penalty hypocrite? There was a lot of hypocrisy going around. Jesse proved to be true to his belief, for that I respect him and his position. He couldn’t help taking a shot at me with the “Bite Me” comment, but that’s OK I provoked it, we both had some fun with that and it didn’t bother me.

    Eric unfortunately you could not be more wrong about the comment “Two men were unjustly murdered by their respective states on Wednesday night”. These men were put to death as a result of a secular humanist justice system. Each man went through a long highly flawed system put together by intelligent people who decided that thou shalt not kill need to be part of our justice system. The flawed justice system was so well crafted that in the Davis case an ex liberal president, an ex arch conservative congressman, the pope and the supreme court could not stop it. There were a handful of anti death penalty advocates trying to stop the Brewer execution, but nothing like what Davis saw.

    As for President Bush hating black people that’s just fodder for use as an effective race card political strategy. Sure you can point to a Slate or HuffPo (very liberal anti Bush) article that strings together a bunch of failures for a specific politically charged argument but its just hogwash by good politicians on both sides using the Byrd family as a political football both for themselves and against their opponents. Much of that “Bush Hates Black People” argument comes from the statement made by an ignorant, emotionally charged partisan Kanye West after one of the worse natural disasters the U.S. has ever seen. You could make the same arguments against President Obama hating white people this year after floods and tornadoes hit high white populations and President Obama chose to play golf during the incidents and barely acknowledge them. President Obama does not hate white people and president Bush does not hate black people. If Bush does he has an very strange way of showing it by putting black people in the highest offices our country has. Unless you buy into the “Uncle Tom” slurs, which displays a racists streak on the accuser.

  12. Allen Miller September 23, 2011 at 10:26 pm #

    Correction

    who decided that thou shalt not kill need to be part of our justice system

    should be

    who decided that thou shalt not kill need not be part of our justice system

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