Effete Snobbery

17 Apr

In response to Bill Altreuter’s comment:

It is wrong to label the efforts of people like Tim Tielman as effete snobbery– there is nothing wrong with wanting to see something done right, and local history seems to pretty clearly demonstrate that things won’t be done right if they are allowed to just happen. Would we have replaced Humbolt Parkway with a ditch if Tim Tielman had been around? It seems unlikely.

What you are arguing here, by implication, is the same sort of “Silver Bullet” theory that you usually mock. By saying, “Just build it already”, you are suggesting that it is better to do something wrong, and hope for the best, than to strive for excellence. I don’t think that’s what you mean to be saying.

I respond thusly:

So far, the people opposed to the Canal Side project haven’t uttered a word about “excellence”, because that would imply that they have been seeking some sort of positive outcome. Everything that I’ve read recently in the Buffalo News about their opposition has been 100% negative.

1. I don’t think Bass Pro & Canal Side is a “silver bullet”. I think it’s a heritage destination that is more than a mere time capsule, but contains shopping and other contemporary things for contemporary people to do. Its design will be vetted by a team of architects, some of whom will be slated to be historical preservation / heritage tourism specialists. It will retain the streetscape – right down to the cobblestones – of the old wharf district as depicted in the plans drawn up in 1999.

So far, all I have heard from those opposed to the project amounts to conclusory subjective statements about the project’s abominable design – yet they were absent in December 2006 when the original project, save Bass Pro, was unveiled. I think “silver bullet” can often be a phrase that is used by those opposed to a large project just because it’s large. I’ve already stated that I don’t think Canal Side is all of a sudden going to turn Buffalo’s waterfront into Seattle’s or Boston’s. (I said the same thing about the Aud plan). But it’s a start, and a damn good one that. It has the right historical blueprint, the right design, the right scale, and the right people running the show – people who know how to attract retail shops, bars, and restaurants.

Had it been unveiled in 1999 as described today, it would pretty much mirror the basic demands that the PresCo had back then. If people want it just to be a museum, then they should be honest about it and not couch their objections in terms of “big box” (which is BS), or “silver bullet” (which I also think is BS) or “parking” (which a museum would also need).

2. The Mr Show clip is a hyperbolic joke, and I sort of figure everyone gets that. But going to the point about effete snobbery; upon reading some comments, and considering their timing, I don’t think the objections are about the design or the Bass Pro or the parking. Instead, I think they are objections based on a fundamental opposition to there being any sort of commerce that involves chains, national retailers, or parking.

Much like Dylan’s disdain for CDs in favor of a Victrola due to its “purity”, there are certain people who just want the thing to be a carbon-copy, museum site of that old district. But is a museum site what we need? Quincy Market, which was the example that Roy Mann cited positively in his op-ed piece, is all about Ann Taylor, Crate & Barrel, Brookstone, The Gap, and other national chains. And there is also the Freedom Trail running through, and Faneuil Hall and its history to view separately as a museum site. A mix. There are local retailers, as well, throughout the ground floor of Faneuil Hall, the upper levels of North and South market, and throughout the cobblestone lanes selling wares from carts.

I would be willing to bet that if Quinn and the ECHDC had put forth a plan where the Bass Pro building wasn’t a Bass Pro, but a large building to house small artisans and merchants (think London’s OXO Tower), and if Benderson wasn’t involved (because they build shopping plazas and have relationships with national merchants) there wouldn’t be an outcry.

Now, I could be wrong, but it’s the timing that is so very important here. Tielman didn’t open a mouth in December 2006. Then, the same plan is presented, plus Bass Pro and Benderson, and suddenly, miraculously, it’s abominable. The timing is not only important, it’s suspect.

The project, incidentally, isn’t even finalized yet. Instead of offering one iota of constructive criticism, all I’ve seen so far from almost all who are opposed to the plan is conclusory declarations of disgust. I think Esmonde’s column and Tielman’s statements are gross overreactions to something that isn’t final yet. Well, that’s fine, but the reason I posted the press releases and links to the materials from 1999 – 2000 (partly so I could educate myself about that controversy from that time) is that apparently the target keeps moving, and there’s no way in hell that anyone will ever be able to (a) satisfy everyone; or (b) hit a moving target.

So, has Tielman been in touch with Giambra to suggest architects whom he’d like to see on the design panel? Has Esmonde yet been able to reconcile his support for a $60 million public investment in the Aud Bass Pro versus his opposition for $25 million to help construct a Bass Pro that is a replica of a 19th century brick building in a wharf district that is a replica of a 19th century wharf district?

7 Responses to “Effete Snobbery”

  1. FancyWow April 17, 2007 at 10:46 am #

    What Boston waterfront? Boston is notorious for being pretty inward facing when it comes to their water. But people love to cite it, and as pundit as stated repeatedly, also keep banging the fanueil hall drum which is actually chain heaven – (besides the shops listed above also)brookstone, a replica Cheers bar with overpriced, watery chowda. It is a place that is for tourists mostly. Locals get there on the T, whose closest station emerges from a historical structure! (not the original use!)

    Baltimore works b/c of the aquarium, and tall ships, and ..hooters, fake irish chain bar, fudge chain, chotchky shops, over priced steak and seafood chain, etc. It is a different destination, where you can walk along the water, get ice cream, watch street performers, feel yuppish, etc. but it is not some holy, historic destination. (it also had a warehouse, whorish history i think)

    I think this proposal ‘could’ draw locals and tourists to a part of the city that is previously an embarassment to visit. If you mix boat docks and unique shopping destinations (chain or not) and historical significance, you get…MIXED USE??? maybe that’s what makes Elmwood and Hertel vibrant, and Fanueil Hall too.

  2. Bill Altreuter April 17, 2007 at 3:31 pm #

    Wow. I love it when I get promoted from the “Comments”. I was just in Baltimore, and at the Inner Harbor this weekend, actually. I was there when it was new, and quite a bit smaller– really just a market, and some restaurants. (New York’s South Street Seaport is the project along these lines I am most familiar with, though.) I think something like that would be grand, but I haven’t seen a Rouse type developer interested. It seems to me that one of the reasons Buffalo’s waterfront development has lagged is that the efforts to make something happen have been largely uncoordinated. As this article illustrates, Baltimore got things going by creating a committee that included members from utilities, banks and other property owners. If I were trying to reproduce that success here I would add representation from the preservation groups, and I think I would have some UB representation, too, in order to tap into some of the expertise of the Regional Institute.

    What we seem to be doing instead is politicizing the process– that’s what happens when politicians do things, or when we depend on politicians to do things. What you get then are a lot of aggrieved constituencies who feel like they have been left out– and then you get lawsuits, and inertia. Put together a working group that puts Tim Tielman at the table, because, let’s face it– he’s coming to dinner anyway.

    The Western New York experience has been that the government seldom gets it right. I wasn’t around when the downtown baseball park was built– it would be interesting to see how that success came about. In many ways it seems like the exception to the usual.

  3. hank kaczmarek April 17, 2007 at 3:59 pm #

    Alan–thanks for the info about the successes in Boston, and especially how they have chain stores in them, which is something that appears to cause consternation locally.

    Your reply was well crafted, and I appreciate the clarity.

    When Bill A said:The Western New York experience has been that the government seldom gets it right.

    Is probably causing more fear in the minds of the citizenry than any particular retailer or other merchant. I know it is what scares me.

  4. BuffaloPundit April 17, 2007 at 4:17 pm #

    The ECHDC is that body that will coordinate the waterfront’s development, and it’s made up of token political people, but otherwise people who have business experience. Should preservationists be at the table? Sure.

    Hell, Giambra was one of Tielman’s allies in 1999 – 2000, and he’s already at the table.

    But those in opposition haven’t been calling for an extra leaf of the table to be inserted. Perhaps if they toned their rhetoric down a notch, it would be better for everyone. Canal Side is imperfect, but it’s no abomination.

  5. Bill Altreuter April 17, 2007 at 5:27 pm #

    Giambra is the paradigm of the sort of politician I’m talking about– Joel is famous for getting a notion, then changing his mind…. Having Joel at the table is no help, and satisfies no one.

    Toning rhetoric down is always a good thing– but experience has shown that most of the time you have to scream to be heard.

    I have no problem with the Big Bait Shop, by the way– any development there would be good by my lights– the chief difference between Quincy Market or the Inner Harbor or the South Street Seaport as I see it is that those places already had some commercial activity. Our waterfront has The Hatch and the largest inland naval park in the world. Anything would be a step up.

  6. thesportsroadtrip April 17, 2007 at 11:50 pm #

    Bill A…
    Let me enlighten you a bit about how the downtown ballpark got built. When the site was announced, the loonies came out of the woodwork to try and block the project. It was pretty much empty windswept parking lots, and a couple of boarded up old buildings along Swan across from what is now the ECC building, and the preservationist crowd was trying desperately to pinpoint a “George Washington slept here” moment to place these buildings on National Registers and prevent their demolition.

    The battles continued, even as the renderings and plans changed from an indoor facility (thank goodness for that!) to an open air “retro” ballpark, which at the time was a groundbreaking concept.

    Add to the mix during this time, a crackpot Councilman by the name of Al Coppola, who felt that renovating the Old Rockpile in the inner city was a preferable alternative to a new ballpark, and threw everything he had to try and stop the downtown project at the City level.

    It was fascinating to watch this entire crowd jockey for position in front of the TV cameras once the ballpark did open, as the accolodes poured in from all across the country on the venue’s splendid design and forward architecture. Coppola and the preservationists then claimed they weren’t really against the project…they were only trying to make it better. Coppola, in his most galling diatribe, said he only was trying to get a better lease for the city. The only thing missing from this circus was Dale Volker on the back of the pickup truck holding his champagne.

    Pundit I am SO with you on your excellent articles this week… why can’t retail, housing, sports venues, water activities and historical heritage all coexist in an exciting frenzy of vibrant activity? Memo to Tim Tielman and your group: PLEASE STOP the obstruction and the rhetoric!!! Come to the table and bring your best ideas to make this Canal Side neighborhood the best it can be… and by that I’m saying not just some old ruins, cobblestone streets, historical markers and lawns and benches, all sitting quiet and empty and still.

  7. Bill Altreuter April 18, 2007 at 11:18 am #

    Thanks, Sportsroadtrip, but that was somewhat less informative than I’d hoped– although some of it was humorous.

Contribute To The Conversation